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DotonLizard · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

Lol, its ok kp.

Athildur can have glory,

I just want.....

SPARTA!

oh and btw, I'd be happy to create shaznats for earthbenders.
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Yeah I know.
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject:

One thing I would suggest is to keep modern's normal nonlethal and massive damage rules. This is because while in Naruto there are singular moves that can kill someone - I've never seen any single move in Avatar be the end of them. (Except for when Aang(probably spelled wrong) was helpless in avatar form - but that is the exception to the rule.)

I would also have the majority if not all attack moves require an attack roll, as well as possible getting multiple per round with high base attack (at least for low-end moves).

For the skills - I'd make each bending take a different stat.
Air = Dex
Earth = Con
Fire = Int
Water = Wis

This would help make each style bender more likely to be statted with the fluff, and personally I thought the air and earth stats were rather obvious choices. Fire is Int because firebenders as a whole seem rather tactical thinkers (though perhaps low on wisdom), while waterbenders are more aware of their surroundings etc.

If you were to make martial arts skills Str based and that spiritual skill you were contemplating Cha, they'd all get one and all the stats could be a big happy family as they all knew that they were each loved in their own special way.

Just my $0.02 for now.
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jmantyk · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject:

DotonLizard · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

Earth should be strength, and fire be con.
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DotonLizard · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject:

add Defensive Shield to earthbending
and flying and speed increase to the airbending
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Again!
Lol, what are the chances?
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jmantyk · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject:

So I no one liked Chaos magic idea?
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Athildur · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:16 am Post subject:

Water should also have a Water Jet ability that just fires streams of water. (Which can hurt).

Air should probably have a branch of bending that deals with movement. They can run fast, run across walls, jump incredible heights...quite useful, something they shouldn't miss Razz

.

That being said, you should also include the typical way in which benders bend.

Earth benders, for example, slam the ground with hands or feet, and if they want to fire rocks, that is usually followed by a kick or something.

Fire benders seem to be based on their attacks, like punches, kicks etc.

Especially for fire benders, that might be useful, since it would allow them to combine melee combat with firebending skills...
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DotonLizard · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:31 am Post subject:

Lol you wanna see some earhtbending skills?

Whatch the 100 year old guy.

he can go underground, and do some awsome shit

oh and one of the more obvious ones, and lightning to firebending (and make a feat required)
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:12 am Post subject:

I don't think lightning should require a feat - just minimum wisdom of 13 or so, and wisdom would usually be a dump stat for firebenders, especially since I don't see a lot of will saves in this game - comparable to normal modern.
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jmantyk · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:17 am Post subject:

I gotta agree on will saves, the only one I've seen make a will save is Jet, and he failed. Though 13 seems kinda low
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:48 am Post subject:

13 isn't that low if you only do a 28 or 32 point buy instead of the naruto d20 36. Now - it should also be freakish hard to learn (i.e. - pretty high level). And even in the show - it isn't the be all end all - while powerful she can't dish it out as fast as she could probably dish out fireballs and whatnot.
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jmantyk · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:09 am Post subject:

I've never done a point buy, we just do 4d6 drop lowest. Are you going to do chi, or similar point pool, for the cost of bending?
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DotonLizard · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:34 am Post subject:

we need to rpol this biznatch
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:39 am Post subject:

I vote for bending costing nothing except for perhaps the occasional freakishly big moves costing a few HP. This isn't unfair - as virtually every decent fighter has bending.

In Star Wars it was a balance issue to make Jedi not trounce non-Jedi as badly - but in Avatar where most if not all characters would have bending - it would be a relative non-issue. Not that non-bending should totally suck - but frankly it rarely stands up to someone of who I would ballpark at even level who fights with bending, with a few notable exceptions.
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jmantyk · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject:

It could cost something like subdual damage, something easily regained and pretty simple.
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject:

Except for the fact that isn't consistent with the Avatar world. I've never seen any character drained from bending any more than they would be from fighting without bending. Besides - no single move in Avatar is so huge that it is overly more powerful than swinging a sword, and a check is still needed - yet another roll that could be a 1.
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

Precisely - I think the way to counter the support power of bending is to make all bending based advanced classes mid base attack - while those few who use weapons get high BaB and perhaps higher defense as well. And if bending requires attack rolls - I think that would be enough to balance it out.
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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject:

That's no more than many naruto techniques such as stone shuriken. If you really wanted, you could simply have certain total skills needed and require no check. For example, instead of a basic fireball being DC 12 it could simply require a total firebending skill bonus of +6. The attack roll could then encompass the bending as well - so if you roll a 1 instead of missing horribly your bending could just fizzle out.

Oh - and instead of one bending advanced class I personally would reccomend 4 - one for each style. That would furthur differentiate the bending styles, or at least one difference between each one - like earth having a higher HD, air higher defense etc. Such as water and fire having d8 hp and mid defense, earth d10 and low defense (defense more based on earth skills than AC) and air d6 hp and high defense (more finesse style).
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DotonLizard · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject:

I think the skill check should be the attack roll, you dont see many people fucking up their bending, you just see them missing and stuff like taht.
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jmantyk · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:53 am Post subject:

So you get to look through the book yet?
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jmantyk · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

How goes it? Any progress?
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Not to much, it's hard to build a system that has so much freedom but still obeys rules. I've just got to get some inspiration. Very Happy

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Sweet Ninja Guy · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:22 am Post subject:

Three ideas for making it work (probably - third is more iffy)

1. Have seperate rules for bending in/out of combat. That way they can still do freakish impressive stuff without it being overpowering. The rational would be that those really poweful movements are too sluggish for combat, as well as leaving you wide open.

2. Don't necessarily have seperate rules for every concievable bending move. Bending isn't a science like D&D magic, it's a style. Just like there aren't seperate rules for every possible way a sword can be swung, so too does not every bending move need rules - some of it would be the same mechanically, just fluff differences.

3. Allow close-combat feats to affect bending. This links with #2. For example, an extra powerful fireball burst may just have a couple points of power attack behind it etc. Perhaps certain moves count as close combat while others count as ranged.
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