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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: Summoner Class |
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I'm thinking about rewriting the Summoner class almost in its entirety. Mostly to include an ability that should have been added long ago: A summoning companion.
I'd like to hear some thoughts about that idea. Think it's worth it? The summoner class right now is pretty dull. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Infinitus Holiday Ninja
Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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A summoning companion? Meh... not want it.
A talent tree like genjutsu master or taijutsu master, or puppeteer would still be nice.
Apart from that, I have no opinion _________________
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Chaos4knuckles Younin Commander
Joined: 28 Oct 2008 Posts: 526 Location: The border of the Village Hidden in the Valley of the Sun, & Reno, the realm of Power
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: |
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I like it, but first a few questions. How long would the companion be out per say... all the time or just a daily chakra cost. Also, would it be limited to normal summons or sires and broodlords as well... _________________ http://svlogthir.mybrute.com
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Mizuno Kaitsu Kage
Joined: 23 Nov 2008 Posts: 292 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Seems to me that it would probably be likened unto a Sorcerer's familiar. _________________ "There are only two ways off this battlefield, friend. Unfortunately, leaving expired the moment you crossed paths with a Kirigakure shinobi."
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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If anything, it would be like Jiraiya and Gamabunta. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Jensik Sharkbait
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Lord_Infinitus wrote: | A talent tree like genjutsu master or taijutsu master, or puppeteer would still be nice.
Apart from that, I have no opinion |
While it would be nice (in theory) to have a talent tree for all of the advanced classes, it is a BITCH to come up with things to put in it. I've tried, and it isn't as easy as it sounds.
And while I agree the Summoner class could do well with a reworking, I honestly don't have any constructive input at all. _________________ Be careful when you follow the masses, because sometimes the 'm' is silent. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Moreover, it's a bitch to come up with NPCs when you have to not only choose the classes, but you have to choose a dozen abilities from up to 5 different pools.
It's not going to happen. Ever. You can stop asking. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Chaos4knuckles Younin Commander
Joined: 28 Oct 2008 Posts: 526 Location: The border of the Village Hidden in the Valley of the Sun, & Reno, the realm of Power
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Frankto wrote: | If anything, it would be like Jiraiya and Gamabunta. |
So when you start out would you get a sire/broodlord and it would gain say bonuses for the more levels you have in summoner class, say shifting from soldiers to eventually avatar? If so, that would be cool _________________ http://svlogthir.mybrute.com
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zolniena Derp
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 172
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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i like the idea involving gamabunta. the summoner could have a familiar type summon that costs chakra and isnt just some random summon, but one he is familar with and has formed some sort of friendship or mutual gain. sounds like an idea worth hashing around a bit. |
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Shun Shinobigami
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1262 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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In all honesty it can just be a special summon with longer duration and of course a few fitting special abilities/techniques. _________________
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Cupidzs Special Jounin
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 100
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Honestly I'm liking the idea of a faithful summon, that's slightly more powerful or specialized for my needs. Having it like a familure from DnD might be more of a hiderance though. What about setting it up like the templete that gives you a nin animal companion, only with your particular animal summon type. Maybe a few adjustments to the progression chart, to fit a base 10 class.
I also think that would fit better with the world, considering anyone of note from Naruto that summoned had a goto summon that they tried before anything else. _________________
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Pumperknicle Genin
Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 16
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Please, please, please, forgive me for resurrecting this post from the dead.
I recently got back into this game and wanted to make a summoner, went on the forums just to read up on what some other people have done and saw this thread...
whatever happened to this?
i want this, badly... |
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Shogimaru ANBU Captain
Joined: 24 Mar 2011 Posts: 179 Location: Sunny San Diego
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Pick up the Conjurer's Codex. It's now a feat among other cool stuff. |
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Reznor Kage
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 235
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Frankto wrote: | Moreover, it's a bitch to come up with NPCs when you have to not only choose the classes, but you have to choose a dozen abilities from up to 5 different pools.
It's not going to happen. Ever. You can stop asking. |
What about "Alternate Class Features"?
Has the advantage of allowing for a little bit of tweaking, while not adding to the default complexity?
Like, if you make a Cha 5/Summoner 5, you just go through it like normal.
If you instead decide that this summoner is different, you swap out features where approriate.
(Not sure what I'd do with Summoner, but I see that as a best of both worlds.) |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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No, thanks. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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wash17 Genin
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 24 Location: college
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I actually had a thought on this a while ago, and made my own house rule small change to the summoning class. At the time, conjurer's codex hadn't been released, and I felt like the class was missing something. My solution was a player with a certain number of summoner levels would be allowed to design an elite summon how they wish-gm still as the right to refuse builds for the summon, tho if they stick to the feats in the summons section as a guideline, it usually ends up ok. The summoner then can use said summon without having to trip into it via normal processes. The pinnacle at summon level 7 was to be able to do the same with a paragon.
At the risk of starting an argument, I still favor this approach over the familiar feat in conjurer's codex, simply because I think the CP cost reduction is too extreme at higher levels. The concept is sound, but is a bit too overpower in my mind.
Alternate solutions might be to combine the approaches, and say make a feat that lets you make a summon, requiring x summoner levels, there are many options/ideas.
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demoralizer ANBU Leader
Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 196
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Please stop with the thread necromancy. |
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Dairius_Chi Situationally Useful
Joined: 02 Jun 2010 Posts: 2633
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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This one's actually only a couple months old, far from necromancy...more like ressucitation. |
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