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mjorkk
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Puppet BAB Reply with quote

I've been trying to find the section of the mainfile that tells you how to calculate an animated puppet's BAB. The puppetry ability from the puppeteer advanced class says to refer to "puppet combat." There is no "puppet combat" section. I read through the puppets section of the ninja tools chapter, and that also has nothing on puppet BAB. It seems that RAW, they don't have a BAB, just s strength and size bonus, which would make them essentially unable to hit anything. What is the intention of the rules Frankito?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found this "A puppet's attack bonus is determined as follow: 1d20 + puppet's attack bonus + size modifier + Strength score + miscellaneous bonus (such as feats, mastercraft components or special abilities)."

... is it MEANT to be A puppet's attack bonus is determined as follow: 1d20 + puppeteer's attack bonus + size modifier + Strength score + miscellaneous bonus (such as feats, mastercraft components or special abilities).?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A puppet's BAB is that of a construct of equal HD, that is to say: 3/4th their HD.

There is in fact a puppet combat section, read through the entire section for puppets in ninja tools, it is before you reach human/animal puppets.
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mjorkk
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a PuppetEER combat section, and I assumed something like the construct thing, but I can't find where it directly says that.

The mainfile is really long, and it's often hard to find a particular section because the index has nothing but XX for page number (understandable because it isn't profesionally made, and is constantly changing) so I usually use the search function on my PDF to try and find the rules I need.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Constructs puppets have a 3/4 Base Attack Bonus (meaning BAB = HD*0.75, rounded down). You can find the appropriate table in the Crature Types section of the d20 Modern System Reference Document

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I can't seem to find it in that section anymor, not sure why/when it would have been moved...maybe it's in the new puppetry section for the updated puppeteer.

Keep in mind when an update is made that has its info spread in several areas, such as puppets or moujuu aishou, there are more chances for error.

Puppet BAB: is 3/4th the puppet's HD, that is a fact.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, like I said, it's totally understandable that something like this could be overlooked, I'm just bringing it up before the next update.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it isn't. I'm not sure why you'd expect to find this anywhere but in the puppeteer combat section.

Also, wrong section. Thread locked.
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