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Storm-Wolf Genin
Joined: 14 Aug 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: Possible Chakra Suggestion |
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So, I've often heard people complaining about Chakra, and in some ways I have to agree I find it a little aggravating at times thinking about how every little thing reduces my ability to use Techniques, more importantly, things like Tadayou and such seem to be able to remain in effect for absurd amounts of times even when the Ninja is "empty" on Chakra and can't really do anything else in the Show. Now, all things considered, some people might think this idea is stupid, that's cool, it's just a rough idea I got while considering things.
Basically: Having extremely large Chakra Pools is kinda silly, instead, have a small "set" Chakra pool. The Wealth System is actually what gave me the idea. (And the fact that just a day's rest is all that's needed for Ninja in Naruto to get their Chakra back.) Essentially...Rather than Chakra Pools of 100 or such, Maybe have a Chakra Pool equal to your Con Score + 1/2 Level. Then set a specific amount of Chakra "If you use a Technique that costs more than 10+Con Bonus Level Chakra, -1 Chakra. If you use a Technique that costs more Chakra than in your current Pool, -1 Chakra."
At 14 Con at level 20 that would only be 24 Chakra, but using Techniques costing 12 or less simply wouldn't touch the Chakra Pool. So things like Tadayou and such can be used constantly without affecting your ability to fight in combat or such.
"Reserve" Chakra would still be usable, you use it to raise your Chakra level up to it's original score. The way I'd personally set it up is that the "Chakra Pool" returns to it's normal score after a night's rest. The Reserve, however, needs time to be rebuilt. (Might also be worthwhile having it be much smaller. Maybe Reserve = 1/2 Level.)
The Advanced Classes that add to Chakra could instead offer short-term Chakra Boosts.(Example: Shinobi Adept could activate Bonus Chakra Ability which raises the Character's Chakra by the Shinobi Adept Level for a set number of turns. These Bonus levels of Chakra are lost first to Chakra expenditures.)
The main problem with this idea would of course be ensuring current Techniques have appropriate Chakra-costs.
Anywho, just an idea I had that I think would make Chakra a lot easier to manage, as well as Techniques. Feel free to comment or tell me I'm horrible! |
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SirShadow Biffu Aroi
Joined: 10 May 2009 Posts: 2654
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: |
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I think since the recent change to chakra, it's fairly well balanced... Nothing really needs fixing IMO.
EDIT: A bit of a problem with your idea is things that cause chakra damage, too. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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For one thing, making that system baseline is a horrible, horrible idea. For another, what you've described is basically my chakra-less chakra system variant, with chakra.
The long and short of it is this: I'm less interested in making the game true to the series and more to make it fun and engaging to play. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Shun Shinobigami
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1262 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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It's not even true to the series, it was never stated anyone recovered full chakra from a nights rest... my best argument that comes to mind is the Zabuza arc where Kakashi was recovering from the first Zabuza encounter.
Also, when you have to change a thousand different things to fit one mechanic you're working the wrong direction. _________________
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Storm-Wolf Genin
Joined: 14 Aug 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Shun wrote: | It's not even true to the series, it was never stated anyone recovered full chakra from a nights rest... my best argument that comes to mind is the Zabuza arc where Kakashi was recovering from the first Zabuza encounter.
Also, when you have to change a thousand different things to fit one mechanic you're working the wrong direction. |
While I am perfectly fine with people disliking the idea, the show always has them end up able to use their Chakra quite well the next day. Now, I did specify "Reserve Chakra" should still have a slow recovery rate, as while the ability to basically "Start over" each day(as noted by Kakashi pointing out how many times each day he and Sasuke can use Chidori. If they couldn't recover at least the base Chakra with just a day's rest, then it wouldn't have been noted.) they do often end up tired if exerting themselves into the next day or longer.
As far as this being a horrible idea? Could be. I intend to playtest it though to see how it works. Because for me, the reason I play a Naruto game is to enjoy the Naruto world as shown in the Series. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like you wouldn't like the supplements. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Storm-Wolf Genin
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Frankto wrote: | Sounds like you wouldn't like the supplements. |
One can remain true to a show and still have original ideas within it. My point was merely that I do personally prefer rules and systems that do follow the show. My assumption was that since it holds the name of "Naruto" that was the intent. |
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SirShadow Biffu Aroi
Joined: 10 May 2009 Posts: 2654
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think the game as it stands covers the show/manga fairly well.
Kakashi's 'limit' on Chidori didn't seem to be based on chakra solely |
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TheTrulyAvaricious Bijuu/Tailed Beast
Joined: 14 Sep 2011 Posts: 610
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Your argument is basically, there isn't enough chakra with the current system, seeing as every other ninja in the show can use WAY more than me. I whole-heartedly disagree.
In case you missed it, the techniques in the mainfile often have an duration that increases as your level does. So, that 1 point cost for Tadayou? Yeah, that has a duration of 1 minute/level. Given (and apologies in advance for quoting a very out-of-date stat block) Kakashi is said in the main file to be level 18, that's 18 minutes for 1 POINT of chakra. In game terms, 18x6=108 rounds. 108 rounds of being able to run on fucking water, for 1 point of chakra.
I fail to even remotely see how that's a bad thing. And as a side note, if you are seemingly running out of chakra far too quickly, you are either a) blasting out highly empowered techniques every attack action, or b) using a build that doesn't complement your playstyle which is clearly heavy nin-blaster. My advice? Go to the Community Creations section and post your build there. There are alot of helpful people on this forum who can, and do regularly help those who ask. That, and stop using ninjutsu every turn. Next to no ninja in the show or the manga uses techniques every round. Most use hand to hand techniques too, and weapons. Even Kisame, the "Tail-less Tailed Beast", uses his sword instead of Suiton every damned round.
The system isn't, and will not, change for people who bitch that they don't have enough chakra points. Especially when your idea suggests that you overhaul several years of hard work done for free.
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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You all seem to assume his argument his flawed; it's not, he's absolutely right. The problem is that it's not possible to do it like the series and still retain any kind of balance, and it's a very bad idea to try.
The simple fact is that the system was made for Naruto, not Shippuuden. As much as I'd like for the system to be able to do things like this, and believe me when I say that I really do, I also have to be realistic and realize that it's not feasible.
That's all there is to it, I'm afraid. I still have to cater to the majority of players, the ones who aren't moving mountains and toppling titans. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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SirShadow Biffu Aroi
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's fine if you consider Shippuden slightly Pre-Epic/Epic. Once you hit Epic, things go a little crazy. |
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Hito Hyuga Shinobigami
Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 1432 Location: the shadows behind you
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Well, I've never had a chakra pool problem with my blaster characters.
My most notable one had a chakra pool of 174 and a reserve of 116
That's all from my con score (14) and my combination of classes. I wont even go into the nice class abilities like the Devastator's force of nature ability. Now, for Taijutsu based classes, I've never needed a whole lot of chakra since most of the time I'm hammering away with physical attacks.
Granted, this is just how I play. I'm sure there are those who don't build like this. I spent hours planning the character to make the most out of the potential it was intended to have.
Though, that being said, I'd try any variant out at least once. |
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TheTrulyAvaricious Bijuu/Tailed Beast
Joined: 14 Sep 2011 Posts: 610
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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That's not bad Hito. And I suppose if you are really suffering from too low chakra, you can either increase it through the Ability Points you get when leveling up, or (if your GM allows it) go for the S-Class Shinobi Con drug. A good thing to have, for that +5 to Con and all the joys it does for your Pool. _________________ Purge the Mutant. Destroy the Alien. Eradicate the Heretic. Burn the Furry.
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NinjaCP Master of Space and Time
Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 1134 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: |
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The Chakra Growth Drug, as well as the Shuugyou: Kyoudo and Shuugyou: Ninkido series of training techniques can help out a good deal as well. _________________ Don't be a dick! Be a DUDE! |
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