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Creating Hijutsu/Kinjutsu Vague Wording

 
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mjorkk
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Creating Hijutsu/Kinjutsu Vague Wording Reply with quote

So in the mainfile it says

Mainfile wrote:
A character suffers a -4 penalty to Learn checks when creating a hijutsu or kinjutsu techniques in addition to making additional successes.


and it also says

Mainfile wrote:
This process allows the character to create a technique from scratch. He suffers a -2 penalty to Learn checks and must make 2 additional successes. If the character is 5 levels higher than the technique's rank, lower the number of additional successes by 1. When creating a hijutsu or kinjutsu, add the normal amount of additional successes for learning a hijutsu or kinjutsu technique, even if the character is obviously affiliated to the technique's source.


and it also says

Mainfile wrote:
Similarly, a character can create an already existing technique with this process when all he has are hints to its effects, but the penalty increases to -4.



So, if a character is creating a Hijutsu, is the total penalty to the learn check

A: -4 (The -4 replaces the usual -2)
B: -6 (-2 for creating, -4 for creating a Hijutsu)
C: -8 (-4 for creating an existing technique, -4 for that existing technique being a hijutsu)

The wording doesn't make it clear, and all seem to be valid interpritations. Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shared your question on the Discord cause honestly I have no clue LOL
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SirShadow
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are taking these parts out of context instead of looking at the whole. If you read that section from start to finish you would see:

Umbrella penalty when "Creating" a hijutsu or kinjutsu by any means is -4

Creating an original technique has a base -2 penalty.

Ergo, if you are creating a 100% original technique that is a hijutsu, your penalty is -6.

If you know a technique exists, such as having heard about it from rumors or read about it, etc, and are trying to recreate it, the base -2 penalty increases to -4. This is different from Developing a technique because you have never personally seen it or identified it.

If that technique is a Hijutsu, your total penalty would be -8
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Athildur
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking it from the book, going down the chapter as written:

- Creating a hijutsu or kinjutsu implies a -4 penalty. (Does not reference 'increase' or 'instead', implying this penalty is in addition to other penalties, not a substitution for them)
- Creating (in general) applies a -2 penalty and +2 successes. Or +1 success if at least 5 levels higher than the technique's Rank.
- Creating hijutsu/kinjutsu adds the additional successes required for learning such techniques (+1 or +2, respectively).
- Creating a technique that already exists with only very vague information increases the normal penalty (that is, the normal -2 penalty for creating a technique) increases to -4.

So, to Create a Hijutsu is either a -6 penalty with +3 successes, OR a -8 penalty with +3 successes if creating an existing Hijutsu with only vague information regarding its effects.

I mostly disagree with all your options being 'valid interpretations', however I can accept that it may not be perfectly clear to everyone.
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