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Isawa Sezaru
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:24 am    Post subject: Beastly Manifestation Reply with quote

The war hero summons are outsiders, if am able to use the beastly Manifestation technique to become a war hero, what stats should I use? From whatever summon I have seen? The lowest? Gm's approval? Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings,

Forgive the ignorance but can you point out where exactly War Hero's are listed as Outsiders? From what I can see they are listed as Humanoid. Admittedly that is still allowed within the bounds of this technique, but worth mentioning.

In any case, from what I have read it would be a specific War Hero, maybe one you've had extensive contact with, rather than any old summon you come up with by yourself. I would work with your GM, explain your intended use and come up with something together. The technique lays out quite clearly what you gain and what you keep. I'd prepare notes or even a second character sheet ahead of time so your not holding up play by copying this down mid session.

Using a War Hero summon doesn't seem to be the intended use of this technique, but honestly it could be a lot of fun. You'll have to post later and share how it went.
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Isawa Sezaru
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well by chance I got war hero as blood pact. (because of good saves I had them in my mind as outsiders, Thx for mentioning)
I have more than enough encounters with them and I find it cool that I can fight side by side as war hero. I even met once their champion. So I can copy anything? That's the dilemma. Balance issues. Champion paragon has perfect stats
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings,

Again in my mind it entirely comes down to what you and your GM decide. If the War Hero champion you are referring to only has 10 hit dice there wouldn't be an issue, as that's your limit. If he's the champion though he's probably got more.

To clarify an earlier point you probably wouldn't get the weapon. Reason being is that you gain the new forms Extraordinary Abilities which are the ones with the (Ex): in their entry. Battle Arsenal does not have that entry, however both Battle Senses and Evasion do, which are awesome.

You may also gain the bonus feats that War Hero's get which are Improved Initiative, and depending on the rank Power Attack and/or Cleave.

Finally if you have a bloodline bear in mind you'll need the appropriate mastery to use it, as they are typically extraordinary or supernatural abilities. Check the entry for more details.

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never thought of taking the weapon or the feats. Battle senses and evasion are the abilities I will copy. And we don't know what stats I should have. We think I will stay with the stats of guardian. It is exactly in the middle, like 10 lvl equivalent.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, if that works for you guys go for it. Summons can be quite personalised, especially when you start getting into the Elite and Paragon summons which are quite unique.

Have fun gaming and like I said, let us know how it goes. I'm sure quite a few people (myself included) are intrigued for the outcome.
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