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Solidus Reverse Doctor
Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Far Away
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: Reverse Medical Nin |
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a medical ninja that specialises in killing and taking away lifer rather then healing....poison attacks, withering organic objects etc.... |
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 1049 Location: Village Hidden in the Night
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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So inotherwords, an assassin. |
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Archangel Super Pervert
Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 616 Location: Vinland
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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You mean like... every ninja? _________________ "I'm no ordinary pervert... I'm a SUPER PERVERT!!!"
-Jiraiya |
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Zombieofpie Genin
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 12 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think that is sorta already done by most offensive med-ninjas. I'd say use the knowledge of anatomy from med-nins and some craft(chemicals) ranks+craft poisons and put them on say... throwing needles, and have at it. _________________ Hello, Mother Chickens! |
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Ryu755 Chuunin
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 53 Location: Mission, TX
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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I know exactly what he means. Where as a cleric specificly has healing spells and the evil cleric, or necro, has inflict wounds spells. _________________ Noah |
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jmantyk Mr. Happy
Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 492 Location: Algotucky
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Considering Medic Nin's healing takes several minutes and are channeled, if I remember correctly, an inflict version wouldn't really work _________________ "Love is a very powerful force. Even more so when it's focused into a coherent beam of destruction."
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hepotitus Genin
Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 32
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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just take medical for like a level or two then go into another class. That way you can snip people in the arms/legs/torso/head but not waste alot of levels. _________________ Death is the high price of living |
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Cujo Chuunin
Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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He doesn't mean chakra scalpels, he means using healing techs to damage opponents. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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I can't help but giggle madly at the expression of "reverse doctor"
That is just priceless. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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NinjaCP Master of Space and Time
Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 1134 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm reminded of the band Aborted. All their songs are about medical procedures gone horribly, horribly wrong. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Hah. That must've been something to write songs about
Solidus, I hereby dub thee The Reverse Doctor! Now rise, and bear thy new station with pride! _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Athildur Sexually progressive Valkyrie
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 3197 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Ooh, I've never seen a rotcod before *stares*
T is a nice idea, but wouldn't really work. Reverse healing in D&D works because it is cast in a single round. One could devise techniques that decay a target's skin and muscles over time, but it would be more of a torture technique, or at least to be used on unconscious and or paralyzed targets. but then, you *could* just carve them up with a sword...though admittedly it's not as cool as just decaying them to nothingness :p. _________________ Oy, this is going to be troublesome *sigh* |
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Solidus Reverse Doctor
Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Far Away
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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the way i saw it is the reverse doctors jr. will have jutsus that cause pains, muscle spasms or the ninth kind, they create special poinsons that cause wide spread diseases....... |
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 1049 Location: Village Hidden in the Night
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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There are jutsu that do all that, most of them accesible to chuunin or below. |
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Solidus Reverse Doctor
Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Far Away
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Felix_Zyphros wrote: | There are jutsu that do all that, most of them accesible to chuunin or below. |
If it was as simple as "just use the jutsu to create a reverse doctor" then there would be no need for classes what so ever. |
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 1049 Location: Village Hidden in the Night
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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My point exactly. You have the jutsu, IMHO (meaning: In My Honest Opinion) just use that instead of making an entire new PrC. You want poisons? Purchase poisons, and take the poison based jutsu. You want damage? Get some damaging jutsu. That simple. |
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kp91 PM Frankto for a Special Title
Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 3076
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Although, you could also create techniques. My suggestion would be work off of Mystical Palms Technique (it might not be called that in the main file, but I know it's in there. Search Chakra Scalpel in the jutsu section).
And maybe get some abilities that can replicate the Hyuuga techniques by attacking chakra points/chakra coils. |
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hastur Grandmaster
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 525
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Performs Iryou Ninjutsu: Hiken - Kyoui Saisei
Ahhh, I just had to digg out this topic, sorry. A few minutes a go I started to think how to optimize Medical Specialist for combat and it occured to me... that under the new rules you actually can do the "Reverse Doctor" thingy. How? Let's assume our character has 10 levels in med specialist:
Round 1: Hel the opponent by discharging Iryou Ninjutsu: Chiyu - Shodan Jutsu
Round 2: Repeat round 1
Round 3: Repeat round 1
Round 4: Make them suffer by discharging Iryou Ninjutsu: Chiyu - Yondan Jutsu with Empower Healing. Since they got healed 3 times by discharge they'll get hurt - you just spent 28 chakra and 1 AP to deal up to 10d10+40 damage. Not bad IMO. And if they are still standing you can just dump another Iryou Ninjutsu: Chiyu - Yondan Jutsu next round... and the round after... and another round after...
Funny, eh?
Note to Frankto: If you ask my opinion you can do two things about this - either allow (Will?) save for unwilling characters, or allow healing techniques only on willing/unconscious characters. _________________ Three are the paths of soul:
One out - roam across the plain,
One back - dwell with the tribe and tent,
One in - turn an enemy's hate.
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kp91 PM Frankto for a Special Title
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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hastur wrote: | Performs Iryou Ninjutsu: Hiken - Kyoui Saisei
Ahhh, I just had to digg out this topic, sorry. A few minutes a go I started to think how to optimize Medical Specialist for combat and it occured to me... that under the new rules you actually can do the "Reverse Doctor" thingy. How? Let's assume our character has 10 levels in med specialist:
Round 1: Hel the opponent by discharging Iryou Ninjutsu: Chiyu - Shodan Jutsu
Round 2: Repeat round 1
Round 3: Repeat round 1
Round 4: Make them suffer by discharging Iryou Ninjutsu: Chiyu - Yondan Jutsu with Empower Healing. Since they got healed 3 times by discharge they'll get hurt - you just spent 28 chakra and 1 AP to deal up to 10d10+40 damage. Not bad IMO. And if they are still standing you can just dump another Iryou Ninjutsu: Chiyu - Yondan Jutsu next round... and the round after... and another round after...
Funny, eh?
Note to Frankto: If you ask my opinion you can do two things about this - either allow (Will?) save for unwilling characters, or allow healing techniques only on willing/unconscious characters. |
Except, you need to be touching the whole time (or if you have mastery, a few feet away). So basically, one move action by the opponent ends it, unless their unconscious (why not just make a coup d' grace) or sleeping. |
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hastur Grandmaster
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 525
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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kp91 wrote: | Except, you need to be touching the whole time (or if you have mastery, a few feet away). So basically, one move action by the opponent ends it, unless their unconscious (why not just make a coup d' grace) or sleeping. |
*sigh*
I posted it on two separate places and in both ceases the same "flaw" was pointed out. But it is't a flaw really, because I was talking about discharge effect which is instantaneous; abnd not about "I touch him and concentrate". So It's 4 separate techniques really (3 to trigger the reverse healing, one to zap them... and the total cost should be 33, me bad) _________________ Three are the paths of soul:
One out - roam across the plain,
One back - dwell with the tribe and tent,
One in - turn an enemy's hate.
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kp91 PM Frankto for a Special Title
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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That would work, I think. Does the discharge happen if the 3 rounds were caused by separate techniques? |
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hastur Grandmaster
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 525
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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kp91 wrote: | That would work, I think. Does the discharge happen if the 3 rounds were caused by separate techniques? |
Yeap. There is an specyfic clause mentioning that It cannot heal stamina damage in this manner, but does not trigger the reverse effect of medical techniques unless used three times on the same target within 1 minute.
So as long as you manage to pull off the "initaitors" in 1 minute and then keep on zapping it can go on :]
Viva la Reverse Doctor! _________________ Three are the paths of soul:
One out - roam across the plain,
One back - dwell with the tribe and tent,
One in - turn an enemy's hate.
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kp91 PM Frankto for a Special Title
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Still it's going to take all or most of your chakra pool, so pull it off early.
(10 + 1) * (2 + 1) = 33
Con of 14/5 is 44, so most even with a decent Con score. |
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hastur Grandmaster
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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kp91 wrote: | Still it's going to take all or most of your chakra pool, so pull it off early.
(10 + 1) * (2 + 1) = 33
Con of 14/5 is 44, so most even with a decent Con score. |
Will over Flesh, Starting Wis 15 (Medics need good Wis), minimum level to get MS 10 is 14 so you'd have 18 by then
(14+1)*(4+1) = 75
Plus you can always take efficient technique feat. _________________ Three are the paths of soul:
One out - roam across the plain,
One back - dwell with the tribe and tent,
One in - turn an enemy's hate.
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IHALA Rookie Younin
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 334 Location: Louisiana, Hidden Village in the Bayou
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Not even considering they also have good chakra control to convert the cost. _________________ I am the way into the City of Woe.
I am the way to a Forsaken People.
I am the way into Eternal Sorrow.
Sacred justice moved my Architect.
I am raised here by divine Omnipotence
Primordial Love and ultimate Intellect.
Only those whose elements time cannot wear
Were made before Me, and beyond time I stand.
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! |
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kp91 PM Frankto for a Special Title
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ooops, I thought 10 levels, not 10 in med specialist. |
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