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Is Using This to Hit an Attack of Over +60 Broken?
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Depends.... is my opponents AC over 70?
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Breaking the Speed Ranks Reply with quote

I've been thinking of an easier way to hit Rank 10 Speed, without having to wait 10 rounds in Shukuchi, or making a character so ridiculously epic that all possible rules go straight out the window. At about level 30, given they took at least 2 levels in Epic Fast Hero and got the Bonus Feat Great Dexterity, let us say that they spent their 4 Epic Feats on a permanent speed rank of 4. Let us also assume they used Yondan Kousoku to kick up their current rank up to 8. If they use Hiryuusen while in this form, would the +2 from that stack with the 8 ranks they already have? If so..... stuff is going to die.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering your level, it isn't so Broken. At this level, there are ways of doing things that are far worst than a Attack Bonus of +60. And remember, you would need the Great Dexterity feat, feats of Permanent Speed Rank and the feat that allows you to unlock and use Speed Rank 10. 6 Epic Feats. By the time you get there, other characters that are focused on other areas are probably insanely strong too.

And remember, you won't be able to keep that speed forever. If your enemy decided to hide or deceive you in some way (With epic hiding skills BTW) your fantastic attack bonus of +60 would not help you.

Worst, at this level, if you do not focus properly on your saving throws, someone can cast some technique with DC 40 and watch you die on the first round of combat. Even more with highly overpowered techniques (Like the Chidori, being only Rank 5, able to deal 7d8+9d6+16 + 16(Elementalist power, if this update consider it as being a Raiton technique) multiplied by 1.5 with the rage of elements ability of the elementalist, average 142, for a Rank 5 technique.

Now, imagine someone using the strongest attack technique in the game, Ryuujin Bakuha. Someone at the same level (30), who took 7 levels at the elementalist class, has a INT score of 18, Ninjutsu Adept, Technique Focus, Epic Technique Focus, Epic Ninjutsu Adept.

DC = 10+16(Rank)+4(int)+1(Ninjutsu Adept)+2(Epic Ninjutsu Adept)+2(Technique Focus)+4(Epic technique Focus)+7(Rage of the elements)=46
Damage = 45D6+45 (Maximized + Rage of the Elements) = 202 points of damage (Average).

And remember, he would be able to do that two or three times per round with Heroic Surge and the Elementalist ability to quicken techniques.

As you can see, what you said was not so broken when compared to epic opponents. Armor class isn't everything.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, I forgot. Okay, at level 33 then, when you get the Impossible Speeds epic feat. At these levels, battles seem to be decided by whose Initiative roll was higher. Also, incorporating regular DnD NPCs from the Epic Players Handbook can be pretty fun, since you can begin racking up combos and using jutsu in ways you never thought they could be before.... (Sennen Goroshi on a Leshay brings back memories...)
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slighty edited my last post.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your moving at Rank 10 speed, that Ref. Save is just to low. But yeah, I can understand broken techniques. Take this one, one that a character in my campaign actually has:

Visage of Death: Will Save 10 (Base) + 10 (Rank) + 7 (Charisma) + 2 (Technique focus) + 4 (Epic Technique Focus) + 1 (Genjutsu Adept) + 2 (Epic Genjutsu Adept) + 1 (Greater Mastery Class Feature) = +37

There are MANY ways to break a technique, but my original question still stands. Does Hiryuusen's Speed Rank boost of +2 stack with other Non-Permanent boosts for that round?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does Hiryuusen's Speed Rank boost of +2 stack with other Non-Permanent boosts for that round?

I asked Frankto the same question some time a go, and the answer was "no".
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auch.. These are insane techniques :/ Ninjutsu specialist, using stealth to attack from cover.. Auch :/
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