Bloodlines

Frankto · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Bloodlines

I cooked this up today, and this is what bloodlines might become. I included the basic rules and what the Sharingan would be using these rules.

Get them here, post any comments you'd like and please vote in the poll. The bloodlines would have no LA then.
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IntOblivion · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject:

That's one thing I've been a little bit thoughtful about! Since so many geniouses are around that has bloodlines with a LA way to high for their fast growth(though they still had use for the feat) it was a little bit "off", one might say, but with this system, they could be like any character!

I also like the way the bloodline grows more powerful as the character gains levels, it seems more real(and the way it's written gives me some "Weapons of Legacy" vibes...), and is very well done over all!

Go for it! Wink

Edit: One little question though: How do you determine whether the character has the bloodline like a major one, or a minor one(since Sharingan is stated as both)?
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jmantyk · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject:

You've really out did yourself this time Frankto, I having an ECL at low levels when you didn't get any bonuses never did sit right with me
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rever · Genin Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 2

This seems like a good idea but the only question I have now is would your take a bloodline level in place of your normal level or is there another system for advancement?

Frankto · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

Normal levels.
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kp91 · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject:

Hmm, it's definitely interesting, but for balance reasons, I'd say I favor the current system. It seems someone with Sharingan abilities should have a higher ECL than someone without them. This system, you give up a level, but it would still make the person more difficult to fight, and the experience wouldn't reflect that (whether your PCs defeat them, or they receive it). As well, since it affects their techniques, they would have stronger techniques thn someone of their general ECL.

IE.
Bob, level 5, can use Goukakyuu no Jutsu 20 ft. away

Sasuke, level 5, but with 1 level in Sharingan, can use it at 25 ft away.

Fighting either would give a person the same EXP though. And even though Sasuke's stronger, to get to the next level (and become stronger after that) he needs the same amount of experience and recieves the same amount, despite that he should get less as he's as strong as a level 6 character.

Frankto · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject:

I'd go ahead and read both LA and these bloodline rules again, you're missing the point.

EDIT: The rules were updated.
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Archangel · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:02 am Post subject:

You cooked up? You got the idea from Unearthed Arcana roight after telling me you didn't like the idea for "buying off" LAs that I asked you about. :-p At any rate, bloodlines as presented in UA don't make much sense to me. I voted no, but it's still under consideration.

Edit: Also, from the way I understand it, you waste XP on a new level that gives you no benefits (or an increase in CR) other than access to the powers. Similar to how that crappy WoW pen and paper game represented intelligent undead and trolls. So, do you, in fact, use up a level on the bloodline, then accrue the same amount of xp all over again to go from, say, levels 5 to 6?
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DLDarkFire · Chuunin Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 63 Location: Orb

It makes perfect sense game mechanic and balance-wise, but I don't like it. It doesn't have the same feel to me as the existing rules. It's more abstract.
No logical reason I just don't like it.

EDIT: No it counts as a level when determining exp and such. At least that's how the WoTC savage progressions worked (werewolf, vampire, ghost and such that you took levels in you template)
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Frankto · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:33 am Post subject:

Archangel, the concept is similar, but the rules are different. And yes?folks might find this to be a fair deal.

DLD, if anything, it's less so.

I'm not entirely sure you realize this, but it progresses as you advance in level, you don't take 20 levels in the bloodline.
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Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

both versions are nearly the same, but this ones give much more freedom

so let's try if i understood them: Like I am a 2nd Level Uchiha, and I gain Level 3.
I may take it as a bloodline level to gain the bloodline limit?

aye and the explanation should mean intermediate not minor
in "if he takes up a minor bloodline level"
then
uh, why should i even care to take one? It is far MORE powerful than taking on the uchiha the intermediate line, and taking no bloodline levels, that would leave me with no Bloodline Levels and much things special, that would be kind of UNFAIR and UNCOOL, i think it has to be worked out again
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hastur · Grandmaster Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 525

Hmmm... this certianly is interesting (you were basing of Unearthed Arcana's Bloodlines, weren't you? Razz

). But is it better? Honestly I can't tell. I'll refrain from voting for now, perhaps I'll decide after thinking about it a bit.

[EDIT] Eh, whatever, go for it. Vote for yes.
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kp91 · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:47 am Post subject:

I have a question, but I might just be missing it. Why are abilities in intermediate and minor repeated. If I have High Speed Sight 1 from Intermediate at level 3, then why is it level 7 in minor? Or do the two stack, and so at level 7 I have high speed sight 2?

hastur · Grandmaster Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 525

You get abilities from EITHER variant not both. Basicly the way it is now you have to choose between +1 LA sharingan or +2 LA one, right? It's the same - you either choose Minor version of the bloodline and get abilities slower and less in total, but you have to "waste" only one level to unlock it all, or you take Intermediate one to get them faster, and more in total, but you have spend to levels total if you want them all.

Oh, and Frankto - Ninja Mimicry text still refers to Shodan/Ichiryuu Sharingan Wink

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Otorzec · Genin Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 23 Location: Poland

Imo great idea Very Happy

i like it much more than earlier solutions so my vote is for "yes" Smile

Elon · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject:

I like the idea, though playing so many time with current system make me reluctant to change it. I'd say make it optional. I voted Yes.
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kp91 · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject:

Archangel · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject:

Still unsure as to what you mean when you say take a level in the bloodline.
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IntOblivion · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject:

Seems as if I might have misstaken some things... If I believe that you automatically gain the bonuses after achieving the appropriate level...

Well, otherwise... House Rule? Very Happy

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Frankto · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject:

The way it works is simple: When you take the feat, you have a choice: Take levels and advance your bloodline, or don't.

If you don't take a level in it, then you gain bloodline abilities normally up to level 6 or 5, depending whether it's minor, intermediate or major.

If you take 1 level in the minor bloodline, you gain abilities all the way to level 20. If you take 1 in intermediate or major, it's 13th and 10th, 2 would be 20th and 15th, and 3 levels in a major bloodline is 20th level.

Regardless whether you take levels in it or not, you suffer no penalty. It's exactly the same as gaining a level advancement, except you can choose how much of it you want, or don't want.

Or how much your GM allows. I need to work out a system that'll somehow make intermediate and major bloodlines slightly more limiting or there'll be no point in taking the lesser ones?but regardless. I'm open to suggestions.
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IntOblivion · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

If you are to add this into the mainfile, you might want to make that a little more clear, but overall, I like it!
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Archangel · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:

So it's kind of like adding an ECL on as you go, instead of starting off with one. That's how I interpret it, at least. Not too bad, lemme know if I'm wrong with my assumption.
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Frankto · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

That is exactly it. You can choose to take all your ECL at the beginning, or pick it up as you go along.
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DLDarkFire · Chuunin Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 63 Location: Orb

I understood that you don't take 20 levels in it and I sad it's probably better. I just don't like it. Could be cause it's kinda giving me flashbacks to the horror that is BESM d20. It's rational, customizable and perfect. I'd most likely love it when I used it, but right I get is that sinking feeling when I first read the BESMd20 rules.

-BESM (Big Eyes Small Mouth) is supposedly a good anime pen-and-paper game. In reality, as mentioned above, it hurts me.
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Niagu Dattoumaru · Special Jounin Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 100

I like the system but this would only draw over bloodlines correct and templates would still have an ECL or do the Templates count as well.
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Frankto · Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

"Bloodlines"
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Niagu Dattoumaru · Special Jounin Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 100

cool I'll make my new bloodline according to this.
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Archangel · Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject:

I change my opinion to "yes." Too bad polls don't work that way.
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vargarf · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:01 am Post subject:

I was houseruling something similar in my campaign, but this way better Surprised

, I like it very much!
I hope the next update includes some of this stuff.
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Jensik · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

At first I didn't quite get it... but now that I understand the concept better, it could turn out pretty well. i say go for it.
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