I reduced the main file to 350 pag

DotonLizard · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:29 am Post subject:

Listen, heres my view on this, since i am one of the most vocal members on this board.

I think that Frankto is justified. This guy comes in and explains hey i shortened the file whoopty mac doo dah. If he had left it at that then we would be fine. But when Frankto said no, he offered to change it. Tried to change his mind. If he had the common sense that you don''t do that shit, then we would be happy. This is like me saying, the summoning system sucks, heres a new one, deal with it frankto. Frankto says "No, doton youre annoying." Then i would be like "Alright Frankto."

But thats not how it happened. I feel no hostitliy, (Except jensik wants to stab me), I don't know if i am going to be branded, i barely know what it means. People don't hate me, (I'm just annoying) and I treat people (Mostly) how i would like to be treated. Frankto makes me laugh my ass off with some of his posts.

I love these forums, its the most posts ive ever racked up, or been part of the community for. I hope all of you have come to enjoy my awsome lizardyeness and we are all one big family (In which i am the retarded next door neighbor that likes lizards).

Oh and 2 more htings

1. Sweet i was mentioned on a list with other people
2. No smileys in a whole post Very Happy

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kp91 · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:35 am Post subject:

Viladin · Grandmaster Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 268

To OP (Antarx):

Personally, imo, when Frankto said no the FIRST time. You should have heeded.
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DotonLizard · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:56 am Post subject:

Viladin just summed up what i said.
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Hitsen · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:44 am Post subject:

Alright, come on now. Thats not cool. Don't start blaming anyone for anything. And don't jump on the band wagon either.

Sure, some things have been said that could have been done differently, but this is a matter of miscommunication between two groups. There is no need to be mean and gang up on one another. We can all get along and discuss this like rational human beings. Just because we are on the internet and you can't see who your making fun or insulting doesn't mean it's ok.

Now, listen up, I have seen this new file in it's entirety and I must say that this whole fight is very silly. Frankto didn't want someone messing with the file, then he was mad when people messed with the file anyway, and then people made jokes that didn't translate well into english, and all that jazz. OR there is something else that I am missing because people like to skate around the truth at times. (>.>;;; which makes mediating much more difficult).

I'm not saying that both sides don't have valid points. I'm just saying can we just start acting like normal, rational people instead of writing long post that basically say "Your a poopoo face"
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DotonLizard · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject:

Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

that is sedition. please knock it off.

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Hitsen · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject:

Ok, no. That isn't just something you look past. That is fucking harassment. If you thought that was funny in some way, Doton, then you have a problem. Again, just because you can't see someone doesn't mean what your saying isn't hurtful. If you were face to face with Antrax, I doubt you would ever say that to him.

I tried to be nice, but this is something I will not stand for. Treating someone else like they are trash and threatening them because your behind the safety of your computer screen is something only a weak fool would do. I hope your real happy with yourself, Doton, because no one else will ever respect you.
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DotonLizard · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry, I just wanted the updates to come out....

How bout we all stop posting here.
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kp91 · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:

IntOblivion · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject:

Things are as they are, and I doubt anyone would die for waiting a little longer. Furthermore, I encourage people who seek new paths, but I have nor been involved in this discussion, thus I will not delve further in the suspect, as I've neither read the thread.

I would also like to disencourage all those who express disrespect against those who walk their own path, as I believe that one should always treat people with respect, or hold his mouth shut. In this case, keep his hands of the keyboard.

As a final comment, I'd like to express my disliking to threats and harassments, or even hostile behaviour. As allready stated, one should treat people on the net in the same way as they would treat a person they met IRL. If you need a rush of power, there are several games available for it. What I get of by? I fuel my irritation and anger into constructive things, rather than letting them stay inside me, fueling me with destructive feelings.

//Oblivion
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Antarx · Genin Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 13

Don't worry about what Doton said. It's a nusinance, and I haven't said anything if he didn't quote me. I was afraid to be taken as a bad guy.

That's what I'm doing at this moment.

http://www.megaupload.com/es/?d=CMFD1XV5

I want' to insert on the margins the chapter name and the page number, but I'm still working on it. I'm also searching for images to ilustrate te book. (I'm average at Photoshop, but very bad drawing by myself)

To see it properly, I suggest to see 2 pages at once.

kp91 · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:55 am Post subject:

Antarx · Genin Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 13

Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

well Open Office is able to automatically generate with page numbers:

-table of contents
-index
-list of tables/images

it is actually spelled 'page' to your information.
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Frankto · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject:

Altering the file without my consent is illegal. And I do not remember giving it.
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Dustcloak Fujiwara · Genin Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 8

[quote="Frankto"]Altering the file without my consent is illegal. And I do not remember giving it.[/quote]

Okay, so your saying that everything that is in your file is yours. Absolutly everything. So you have the rights from Kishimoto to use HIS idea to formulate your own. You had every right to use the skills, abilities, so on and so fourth affiliated with Naruto. That are more than likley copy-writed.

And if I'm correct this Naruto D20 IS NOT copy-writed so you can't chew his ass out to make it a smaller file. Shocked

Also, "don't shovel more shit than you can eat." ...
do you mean "Don't bite off more than you can chew"? Question

Lord Cruentus · Special Jounin Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 132

Pages 4 and 5.
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kp91 · Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:59 am Post subject:

Dustcloak Fujiwara · Genin Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 8

[quote="kp91"][quote="Dustcloak Fujiwara"][quote="Frankto"]Altering the file without my consent is illegal. And I do not remember giving it.[/quote]

Okay, so your saying that everything that is in your file is yours. Absolutly everything. So you have the rights from Kishimoto to use HIS idea to formulate your own. You had every right to use the skills, abilities, so on and so fourth affiliated with Naruto. That are more than likley copy-writed.

And if I'm correct this Naruto D20 IS NOT copy-writed so you can't chew his ass out to make it a smaller file. Shocked

Also, "don't shovel more shit than you can eat." ...
do you mean "Don't bite off more than you can chew"? Question

[/quote]
As soon as you make something, it is automatically copywritten to your name. Frankto can not trademark this without Kishimoto's permission, but he can send it online as much as he wants, since he is not making profit.

If Kishimoto wanted, he could probably get away with suing Frankto, because money made is not considered in court rulings, only who produced the original material. But, Kishimoto has probably never seen this site and probably never will.

Also, free speech is not allowed on these forums. So enjoy your ban for questioning Frankto.[/quote]

SO antarx is still in the right here. as you just said, when you make it, its automaticly copyrited to your name. AND he can post it on the internet without reprucussions. SO his 350 or so edit to make this gargantuan book smaller. IS okay by what YOU JUST SAID funny man. Cool

Dustcloak Fujiwara · Genin Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 8

ohh almost forgot. The copyrite was from 04-07. its 2009 now so I guess he can't pull that card anyway. Hmm

Athildur · Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:10 am Post subject:

Copyrights are updated when the material is republished.

And no, when you reduce the file to a smaller size and then posted that just won't fly.

You see, Frankto's file is based on the naruto manga/anime. It is not a ripoff, he does not pretend to own the rights to anything directly related to the anime.

However, a smaller version of the same file is, in essence, a breach of copyright because you *copied* the information in the file exactly. Sure, you may have deleted a few things that may seem irrelevant (aka fluff), but that does not change the fact that you're copying the original file's content.
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Dustcloak Fujiwara · Genin Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 8

Since he dosn't technicaly have a patent on this file, he made it open to the public. So he has evrey right to edit the file all he wants. And if I remember he used to have a $1 fee to get the nd20 printable version of this game. Well.... something about that seems odd then because he would need the rights from Wizards and kishimoto to actually have the rights to sell it. selling this without the rights themselves is illegal. So as I am reading in this thread, you guys have shown me NO reason to say that Frankto has all rights to say that it is ILLEGAL to edit his work that is FREE to the public.

Also, when you said that it is based on it, and not a ripoff, you seem to have contridicted yourself there. Because either way you slice that, he still needs the legal consent of Wizards for the d20 concept, and the permission to use anything related to Kishimotos. Because lets renember here that HE did sell this item at one point.

Antarx · Genin Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 13

I can't believe this thread is still alive!!

May be I don't must write here again, but in fact, no one (at least, not me) was discussing Frankto rights about his book... or at least, moral rights... I'm not a lawyer, so, even if I have my own thoughts about that matter, I wasn't putting them in question.

I did something for me, and I thought I could be interesting for the site admin. It was not. End of the story.

I left the site, because I didn't want to start any sort of war, simply, because it was pointless. I admire Frankto work, but I cant agree with his decisions. I didn't came here to start a war, so, when I realized that, I left.

Dustcloak, I'm not sure about your intentions, but if you really are interested in naruto d20, may be you must start another thread about legal things... but this thread is only a pain, and reopening it only will cause to open closed wounds.

Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

lol.

Well, I am guessing Nd20 is dead. I am positive about it.

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kp91 · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:04 am Post subject:

No...you...you just...just NO! You have no idea how copyright works, so stop talking.