Immortality

[Servilus]

i need some help with immortality, like ideas how someone could get it. If anyone posts here, i thank you very much, i was stupid to tell the players about immortality, and now they are questing to find the answers to it, and how to get it, any ideas on this will be most appreciated, thank you.

[kp91]

Immortal isn't really made for players. How fun would it be if you couldn't die ever. Honestly, I'm surprised it ever made it into the Main File, but as of now, there is no way to get it. It's not a template, it's a subtype. If you suggestions, worship Jashin.

[cmkawasaki]

Questing for it is fine. They just have to eventually find out there is no way for them to achieve it.

You can give it to them, but then the campaign is de facto over, for all intents and purposes.

[Ryuugan]

Maybe you should be a little specific in your question. Do you just mean everlasting life (but can still be killed normally), such as becoming a native outsider (something I see as easily doable) or do you mean they can never be killed?

Well, if you do decide to allow your players to become immortal, then in this case, I see no reason as to why not. There are already people who have attained a sense of immortality (Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori), but despite its benefits they possessed innate weaknesses. You should probably devise a type of weakness or something they need to actively watch out for, should they get immortality, else they will die, this may keep some balance within the game.

As for ideas to attain it, I'm not exactly sure as of now. Ill post any ideas I get, as its an interesting quest.
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[kp91]

[Ryuugan]

The native subtype and regeneration essentially do that. Since all damage is treated as subdual, you could be cut up into little pieces and still regenerate your body.

Making it like that, perhaps regeneration 0 (they dont heal wounds incrediably fast, but damage is still treated as subdual, and will naturally recover over the period of days) would probably do it as well. But you'd have to give a weakness (or two), to offset that.
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[sway]

Eh, its not that important... if you want to make an epic quest of it... that seems fine. Immortality really isn't that big a deal because:

a.) Games were the threat of character death are overplayed tend to suck. Character death shouldn't be willy-nilly to begin with. Most GMs who play up their "realistic" style are actually just poor GMs who want to kill PCs as their little way of "winning" or alternately they want to have an easy out for when they realize they've started a game that's beyond their capacity to moderate. Either way, these type of GMs often validate themselves by saying their players died because they played stupid or something similiar (and not suprisingly their group of players tends to change... alot). Apparently people don't like being called stupid. In any event character death is best kept as dramatic point in any campaign.

b.) Taking in the first point into account, the removal of the possibility of actual death from a campaign by no means removes the potential for "pragmatic death" or "dramatic character removal" which serves the same purpose. Yeah, their character is textbook immortal... but that doesn't stop them from being put out of play by dramatic plot elements... like say they have to stop some other immortal ninja... and the only way immediately available is to engage them in a grapple as they both plunge into a semi-dormant volcano or something. Sure, technically they will both "live"... but then again they are both eternally (or at least until the volcano becomes active and spews them out - potential scenario event for a future campaign) trapped at the bottom of a mile deep lava pit that's constantly burning them. That's a somewhat generic scenario but their are tons of possibilities. Who cares if you live forever is you're stuck spending eternity being eternally digested by a giant toad, or sealed up under an earthquake crevass... or... well... you get the point.

c.) If the quest is long enough, the players might never complete it anyway... especially if you side-track them with the other missions you originally had planned. It's entirely possible that by the time your players get near to completing their epic immortality quest... the campaign will pretty much be ending otherwise. This happened (happens) in old D&D games all the time... one or more of the PCs would have some personal ambition to become an immortal wizard, or a lich, or even a new deity... and sometimes they'd make it... but it'd take them the whole friggin' campaign to do so.
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[jbartlett87]

I've been working on a couple Naruto-to-D&D classes. So far I've done a modified sand shaper prestige class for Gaara, and I'm working on making a Jashin Disciple class (using Hidan as a reference). When thinking about how to incorporate immortality, I planned on making it a level 15 class ability. It would be temporary and activated only once the player had performed a specific ritual beforehand. The ritual consists of:
-Prayer to "Lord Jashin" either before the fight starts or during.
-Drawing the ritual diagram on the square the character occupies (triangle inside a circle).
-The player made a successful attack against an opponent that has blood, then ingests at least a small amount (licking the weapon works).

Once all of those are in place (which would take a couple rounds, maybe more if the player kept missing) the character makes a body link with that target. The player takes no damage from any source as long as his target is alive and he stays within his square (the ritual ends and he loses immortality if he leaves that square or is forced out). When explaining it to others, it's almost like his body is switched with a voodoo doll-like body (maybe his real body is trasferred to another plane for the duration of the ritual?). The only reason I didn't make this a level 20 class ability was because I wanted people to be able to use this ability more often, since characters is some campaigns never reach level 20. Change it as you see fit.
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[Shun]

[Felix_Zyphros]

Shun... Wording. Might want to watch it...
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Fear is the mind-killer.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune

[Shun]

it just angers me for people to jump to assumptions because of one or two personal experiences. But before it goes anymore off topic, Immortality isn't much fun to do unless you plan to have a long time villian or it's the ageless type imho.
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[Felix_Zyphros]

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[kp91]

[Keldon_Draconian]

[Shun]

Touch'e

Maybe I came out a bit harsh, but it seems well all generalize in some way.
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Me: the hizoku attacks you with his yari, your actions?

Max: I evade with a 13 and counter attack with a 1,000... *pause for silence*

[sway]