dexterity taijutsu

[fenrirarckon]

the skill checks and class dificulty of taijutsu techiniques are based in STR atribute. but exists a lot of players and NPCs taijutsus based in DEX atribute.
my sugestion is:
make one talent to change the based atribute of taijutsu skill and Class dificulty atribute for DEX. is make more choices of characters to play. and create a new menber of taijutsu fighters. the DEX taijutsu fighters.
in my campaign i make the talent weapon finesse a produce a change of i suggest above.
but maybe a creation of talent is the best choice...
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[Chaos4knuckles]

That's smart, tell the creator what to do... Its called make your own feat in your group. like the Feat Will Over flesh, use your brain!
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[fenrirarckon]

i think in a talent called. "Agile Taijutsu" is a good name ^^
but i say in the previus post , maybe 2 talents to mae yur taijutsu user do the things by dexterity is a so much talents!!!. naruto d20 have a deficiency of the palyers get a litle quantity of talents... more one talent to do you calculate a taijutsus techiniques and skill maybe is so much talents for you...
i suggest to make this ability to calcutate de skill taijutsu and taijutsu techiniques DC, for the talent "weapon finesse". so only one talent is required to make your taijutsu user STR to DEX taijutsu user!!!
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[Mizuno Kaitsu]

I dont think Chaos is being out of line at all.
That's not something you need to create an entirely new talent tree for.
There is a very good reason that home-brewing is suggested.
If every little idea from every corner of the forum was put into the pdf, it'd be over bound with silly ideas that 80% of people probably wouldn't even use.

I think thats the fun of the system. Just add in what you need to.
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[Athildur]

[Keldon_Draconian]

I also think it's something useful enough to be made into a rule; however, i think it should be a feat (not a talent), to be in pair with will over flesh, force of personality and other feats that change the relevant ability modifier for something.
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[fenrirarckon]

sorry people. i am brazilian and the feat as translated "talento". and is wrote talent ....but i want to say feat... sorry guys.
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[Chaos4knuckles]

Well just make a homebrew feat, I don't know, you can call it Nimble Body
the prerequisites are that you must have like 14 dex and all melee attack checks instead use your Dex modifier. Well... that was easy.
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[ultima22689]

The point wasn't that it is as simple as a homebrew feat, it was that this isn't really cool homebrew template, bloodline or something of that sort that doesn't need to be in the file, this is something important and simple enough to be added to the main file because alot of people are calling for it.

[Keldon_Draconian]

[ultima22689]

[Chaos4knuckles]

wooo, I never said I didn't like the idea, it just seem like he demanded something opposed to the idea of this board, suggestion and requests. I like the idea, I prefer a fast quick character to bulk macho guy any day. The problem with the talent is that it must likely will be first with unarmed attacks and then progress into more powerful attacks such as using weapons.

I'm not condescending right now, but first make the ideas this talent would underline the basics of which main attacks such as unarmed and dealing with weapons, will it be used to anything else as well?

surprised, yes?
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[Shun]

or hey, (sarcasm) let's make a talent that makes Ninjutsu's and Genjutsu's attribute both the same stats because I want to maximize.

There's no need to change the attribute; feat, talent, or otherwise. It's just another player trying to maximize by giving himself better defense, reflex, initiative, and etc. at the expense of lower strength which wont matter because they are working around it.
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[ultima22689]

[Cosmik Debris]

heres my two cents, instead of making a feat or talent that allows you to switch the 2 of them i would suggest talking with your GM and asking one of 2 things
A) Can you allow me to create a Taijutsu Technqiue that allows me to use my dexterity instead of my strength?
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B) Can you give me a weapon that uses a dex bonus to damage instead of strenth

Ill give you an example of B

Weapon Name - Sword of Changes
Type - Short Sword (simple weapon)
Damage - 2D20 Taking lowest, crits on doubles, Weapon is destroyed on a roll of double 20's
This weapon is a sword that dosent realy matter how hard you hit someone with, much like a dagger, its all about how and were you place the blade

So you would add dexterity to the damage, like it says it dosent matter how hard, but where you hit another example would be

Weapon Name - Mirror Sword
Type - Katana
Damage - 1d6 + Dex modifier
This sword has a blade on both side's, requiring you to use grace and not brute force to use efficiently

Any-who that is just my 2 cents, its all up to your GM because Taijutsu is good for strength based charachters and Ninjutsu and Genjutsu are good for those faster charachters
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[Revan619]

from basing it loosely off the rules for taijutsu master, we have made a house rule saying any taijutsu checks made by a taijutsu master can be done from strength wisdom or dexterity


p.s
taijutsu puppeteer sounds like the worst possible combination ever XD
I prefer if your going to combine something like that Genjutsu and Taijutsu, if you start genjutsu people will try to get in close, and taijutsu will counter, and in all of our games, the players ignor the genjutsu skill, so genjutsu users rape them hard
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[V.C.]

After reading this topic I got this idea. Maybe instead of creating a feat u could improve the way of expertise talent from the taijutsu master, or better, create a new talent that would require way of expertise.

I think that be like everyone that try to fight melee (or in the case use taijutsu) naturally appies it strenght instead of agility but just someone with experience in that area could possible do that.

I would also fit that someone that fight in a very brutal, agressive or even clumsy way with the brawl feat (like Naruto) couldn't never use this talent like a master with the combat martial arts feat would use.

[Catch]

This is actually a pretty poor idea. Either you're wasting feats and nerfing yourself or you're a Single-Ability-Dependent beast. There's not really a middle ground.

I understand the reasoning for the suggestion, in that ninja "ideally" are supposed to be faster than they are strong. The Narutovese subverts this stereotype (and reinforces it in come cases), making physically powerful ninja both sensible and viable. The arguments brought up about weight lifting, quickness and other "real life" examples are moot, because we're talking about a highly fantastical game. Simply put, Strength measures a character's muscle mass/density and their ability to exert themselves. It's quite logical to base physical fighting aptitude on physique - toned, exercised muscles make for easier training. Obviously, this is just fluff.

In terms of game statistics, subbing out Dexterity for Strength as the key ability for Taijutsu has several problems. Assuming this is done with a feat, you're going to need two feats ('Agile Taijutsu' and Weapon Finesse) to switch out the modifiers, putting a character quite behind his peers. While it's true that by dumping Str and maximizing Dex, you will be SAD (Single Ability Dependent) in terms of to-hit and AC/Reflex, you're losing out on something important: saving throw DCs. Your character's flexibility and agility has no effect on how hard his fists hit - that's all muscle, which is why Weapon Finesse only applies to attack rolls. Save DCs are extremely important to a combat system where a large proportion of the offensive abilities allow for some sort of damage or effect mitigation.

To summarize (tl;dr), using Dexterity for Taijutsu has the significant advantage of using the same stat for attack rolls, AC, Reflex saves, as well as Taijtusu skill and Lean checks. That sends a red flag to me as both a regular player and GM. It doesn't make sense to include Taijutsu save DCs in that list, but if it is, that unbalances the idea even more. Two feats are not worth the advantage of being Single Ability Dependent. The only way I'd see it being viable is if Dexterity is only used for skill checks, as with Jyuuken.

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[Frankto]

As a rule, I avoid giving the same ability score both offensive and defensive advantages.
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