[SENJUTSU] Techniques

Frankto · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: [SENJUTSU] Techniques

Currently taking ideas for Senjutsu techniques.

There are three types (and their key abilities): Combat (Str or Dex), Energy (Int), Enhancement (Wis), and Illusion (Cha).

This is what I have for now:

Combat:

None

Enhancement:
Sennin Mode (Sage Mode)
Senjutsu Kanzurou (Sage Chakra Tracking)

Enhancement:
Senjutsu Kai (Sage's Unraveling)

Illusion:
None

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Keldon_Draconian · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject:

The techniques used by the Ma and Pa toad should be Senjutsu techniques, such as the high-pressure water blast the father toad shots at Pain's chamaleon (Combat), the superstrength the frog uses to lift that rock (Enhancement)(Jiraiya also did that on the anime, using Senjutsu to gather energy, lift a rock and impress Tsunade and Orochimaru). Another combat technique could be the super-sage-rasengan used by Naruto and Jiraiya. And finally, Ma and Pa song (Illusion), which would be an ubber form of Genjutsu using Senjutsu.

Also, there should be an enhancement Senjutsu Technique to improve the Sense Chakra ability. You trade X Sage Chakra for Y % enhancement to the sense radius. Naruto could sense everyone's chakra when he concentrated, for example.

Is each Senjutsu technique a separate skill?

By the way, you made a genius job with the mechanics for gathering senjutsu chakra. I think you should seriously think about including it on the main file. Long ago you said you would never include the gates, but did it as OPTIONAL material. if you leave it clear that senjutsu shouldn't be taken lightly, it wouldn't be a problem for the GMs, IMO.
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ultima22689 · Kage Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 285

Agreed, people know what stuff should be used and shouldn't, you would be lucky to find a game that allows you ghastly inheritance even though it is balanced. I think it would be cool if you made one chapter of optional stuff and just put it there if you think they may possibly upset the balance of the core game IMHO.

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Frankto · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:13 am Post subject:

Both of those were already done before I even announced senjutsu.

Techniques that aren't Senjutsu but are paid in full with Senjutsu chakra are automatically empowered.

And Sennin Mode (also known as Frog Kata) already soaks damage and burns through senjutsu chakra.
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Frankto · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject:

Guess there's not all that much interest after all.
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Keldon_Draconian · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

Shun · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject:

Already posted my ideas, as stated there's not all that much that's been done with it.
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Keldon_Draconian · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject:

By the way, judging from what i've seem from the senjutsu system, i'd give it a 9/10. It perfectly reproduces what we've seen on the series. The only drawback is that this system is a bit complex to grasp at first glance.

And there is the sense chakra thing i pointed above.
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Mizuno Kaitsu · Kage Joined: 23 Nov 2008 Posts: 292 Location: Detroit, MI

I agree with everyone else, really. As far as what's been shown, you have pretty much covered the bases.

I would probably like to see some sort of fast healing technique associated with Sage Chakra and perhaps Combat Forms i.e. katas for the other pacts and maybe a general one for those that can Sage without a bloodpact as you were mentioning.

Maybe include some of the special options for entering Sage, such as one's bloodpact animal assisting in the balancing process (something a little more than an aid other check maybe?)

Also.. Naruto used an ability that, game mechanic wise, increased his reach. I.e. he took a swing at Devil Path (I think), which looked to miss but the chakra emitting from him managed to land the hit and still did amazing damage. You might've included it in Frog Kata, don't know - but it is something to keep in mind with the combat forms.
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Frankto · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject:

Frog Kata has two names: Frog Kata and Sennin Mode. They are one and the same. Further, Naruto's reach was increased by approximately 3 inches. That has no effect on game mechanics.

I already thought about including a summoning technique to aid manipulating the energies, but I'm not sure how I'll go about it yet.
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Ketsukage · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject:

The lack of replies to this thread may simply be out of respect. I only post now to say that I am really for the idea, I just don't have any ideas that I feel are worth anything to add to the conversation.

Felix_Zyphros · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:22 am Post subject:

2 reasons why I haven't posted-

1) We haven't seen that much of senjutsu in the naruto manga, and there isn't anything much to compare it with in other manga.

2) You have very strict limitations on what exactly you'll put in the main file, and tend to shoot down anything (with heavy caliber, high explosive rounds no less) that isn't 100% balanced and perfect.

I realise that working on a project like Naruto d20 is hard, but if you keep scaring people away no one is going to give any input.
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Ketsukage · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:48 am Post subject:

Really... Keldon and Infinitus have both weighed in with their thoughts. Aside from yourself, those two seem to be the go-to guys for game material. The only person I can think of who hasn't posted on here who I would really like to hear an opinion from is Athildur. I have the greatest respect for all you guys who can put these things together and make it work, but I know from experience that it's hard as hell to do well, and quite possibly beyond my abilities.

On an aside... I haven't heard from IntOblivion, either. I was always a fan of his work, but it looks like he may have been away from the forum longer than I myself have been.

edit: Fogot to mention Shun. Another person whose work I respect. And no disrespect to those not mentioned, these are just the people whose material has consistently impressed me, and whose flavor I like.

Athildur · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:28 am Post subject:

I placed my input a while ago, just not here Razz

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Unfortunately, I currently have no ideas on how to use Senjutsu chakra other than the ways described, but I will definitely look out for other means to use it with.

Also, the current senjutsu mechanic is pretty well-rounded and offers a good reflection of what we've seen in the manga/anime. It's pretty well balanced, and since it's something that most people won't end up using, I think that the slightly inherent difficulty isn't going to be any problem, since the players will likely be somewhat experienced.

Once I think of something new, I'll post it as soon as I can.
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hastur · Grandmaster Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 525

Just dropping in for a moment to say that what you've shown from Sage-stuff in main update thread looked very good. No ideas for more technique sadly Sad

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Hairesu_Kode · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject:

I would just like to say everyone's going to be bum rushing the Toad Summoning pact now. Looks great I say. Though, the Sennin Mode seems a bit infinite if you focus enough and conjoin yourselves with Ma and Pa so is there a limit in the manga/anime?
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Frankto · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject:

The Senjutsu supplement isn't limited to one blood pact. I suggest you read up on the discussion and examples I presented in the Update thread.
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Chaos4knuckles · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:38 am Post subject:

Hmm, I wonder what the slug sage mode and war hero sage mode would look like and you messed up, aka CHA going down...
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cmkawasaki · Lazy Programmer Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3388

You don't look more handsome if you fail to convert chakra. Look at Jiraiya as an example... because I'm certain that's where the CHA going down comes from.

Chaos4knuckles · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:

I never said It was going to go up, I just wonder what you would like when It goes down, it perks my curiosity...
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cmkawasaki · Lazy Programmer Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3388

You mean particularly for the War Hero pact? That is a good question - given that heroes are the peak of physical strength. I'm going to guess that your face freezes into a heroic look, and can't change, which would hinder CHA based responses. Either that or turn into a hero that isn't well liked in the current period of time.

The slug is easy - your face begins to scretch, and your mouth grows weirder... easy to accomodate the CHA drain.

Felix_Zyphros · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject:

Or you get a sub-zero like face mask, and your eyes turn into a deathly cold stare that freaks people out.
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Chaos4knuckles · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject:

Keldon_Draconian · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject:

Idea for a Senjutsu Technique.

While in Sage Mode, you use this technique as a swift action to gain a natural attack equivalent to that of your blood pact.

Jiraiya for example, could grow frog's pawns (Slam attack) to attack Pain. But he couldn't do hand seals properly (a certain penalty, but not disallowing, since he could use Rasengan), so he dismissed the pawns after a few minutes.

Drawback: will save or charisma damage (you are a bit closer to turning into a frog or another random animal).
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Sacredstorm · Genin Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 49

Are there limitations to kage bunshins already present in the Sennin Mode technique? In the manga, Naruto could only have three clones out on the battle field with two focusing the Sage Chakra. With clones in mind, it isn't a stretch to point out that the clones also benefit from being in Sennin Mode, so maybe a limit of clones and a technique/trait that works like Kyouka Kage Bunshin but also works for other clones formed by natural elements such as the Mizu, Yuki, Ishi, etc.

Then maybe a technique for physically infusing Sage Chakra into the clones? To regain the chakra they are carrying you have to dismiss them within range or they have to be destroyed if outside the range of the technique. Having too many clones destroyed at the same time or while you have Sage Chakra also would result in petrification.

Ketsukage · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject:

Hmm... There's nothing to support this in the manga, but it seems to me the flavor is right. What's everyone think about a technique or two for neutralizing poisons, toxins, and/or diseases affecting yourself. Not quite like medical jutsu, more like mastery over your own body coupled with the connectedness with nature... I don't have a rough draft for you, as I'm absolute shite for creating balanced game material, but I thought I might toss the idea out there.

Shun · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject:

WarHero should not have a sage mode, simply because they are not connected to nature like the rest of the summons. They don't in my game for that reason anyways.

To the above; removing poison etc. should just be medical.
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Frankto · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject:

Thanks for paying attention: Senjutsu isn't limited to blood pacts. Kthx.

For the diseases and poisons, there's only so much I'm willing to allow Senjutsu to do right now.

And I've already taken into account the limitations for clones gathering nature energy or senjutsu chakra. I haven't decided yet about imbuing them with it.
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Shun · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject:

we know they (normally) have 10% of the user's chakra but since it's senjutsu it's probably closer to 5%.
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