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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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No Genjutsu user should ever be like Maro. Making Kyushojutsu helped to open my eyes to new possibilities a great deal, though. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Jensik Sharkbait
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 1810 Location: The Internet
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Maro was anything but a conventional Genjutsu user.
To the main point, though.. you're making it sound like being in a support role is a bad thing. Support characters provide a crucial role in combat: control. Can a party survive without it? Sure, but they're going to be taking a lot more hits along the way.
Genjutsu users are not often hindered in battle, unless you find yourself in a campaign filled with mindless undead or constructs. Very few enemies in the standard Naruto-verse are immune to Mind-Affecting techniques. _________________ Be careful when you follow the masses, because sometimes the 'm' is silent. |
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SirShadow Biffu Aroi
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, I'd just look through 3.5's Illusion spell list for inspiration... there's a s***-ton of stuff there. Some good, some not, but everything could be improved upon or inspire stuff for genjutsu users to do. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Been there already, Shadow. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 1049 Location: Village Hidden in the Night
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:23 am Post subject: |
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NinjaCP wrote: | Felix_Zephyros wrote: | On a different note, is there a way on these forums to have an auto-ignore? These trolls are getting annoying. |
It's not nearly as bad as a couple years ago. You know who I'm talking about. |
Do you mean doto-
*vanishes in a puff of acrid black smoke*
Ahem, ok, I'm back.... Oddly, my pants are missing, and a bear with a canadian flag draped on his back was threatening me with some pancakes, but to continue...
No one wants to do battlefield control, unless you can pull off cool stuff like http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html <-this. _________________ I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I kind of do, actually. But that's mostly because I've been there and done that way too many times with the high damage characters. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Shun Shinobigami
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1262 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't know how you guys think Genjutsu is weak/need to be made "cooler", sure Genjutsu doesn't have the lethality in itself to off somebody but combined with the fact you can use it to coupe de grace your target(s) it's pretty great (unconscious, paralyze etc). Especially since not to many creatures have the Will to make the saves. _________________
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Hito Hyuga Shinobigami
Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 1432 Location: the shadows behind you
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I have a lot of fun with Genjutsu, one character actually took the time to learn about his target, and found out a few of his fears. Let's just say, it was one horrible 3 rounds for that guy, all 10 on his fears packed into one Genjutsu, can't remember what they were.
Anyway, I think Genjutsu is cool enough, it just sounds like some people want it to be omg hax epic which it can already be, cause not every NPC should have a high will save. _________________ There's nothing quite like having the soft reset keystroke down to a zen-like art form. Every time a character dies and you reset in the same motion, you come closer to transcending this reality. |
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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It isn't that Genjutsu is weak or necessarily uncool, it's just not interesting enough. The idea isn't to make it too strong, but rather to make the genjutsu user a serious threat when encountered alone, more than just a Wil save, instead of simply "Meh, I can do that." _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Shun Shinobigami
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1262 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really, understand what you're going for. From the way I'm reading your new post you just want more techniques that deal damage or non-lethal damage. If that's the issue, it's not to hard. _________________
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 1049 Location: Village Hidden in the Night
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mind giving some examples Frankto? _________________ I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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There are a lot of ways to be a threat that don't necessarily involve lots of damage. One of my favorite tricks as a genjutsu master was to make people kill themselves, or attempt to, anyway.
Blindness, nausea, crippling pain, genjutsu chains and combos that have devastating effects, the list goes on. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Hito Hyuga Shinobigami
Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 1432 Location: the shadows behind you
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, Genjutsu has many applications, I love playing with Genjutsu. You can also turn your foes against each other by making their "allies" appear as an enemy while making it where they can't hear the voice of their "ally" _________________ There's nothing quite like having the soft reset keystroke down to a zen-like art form. Every time a character dies and you reset in the same motion, you come closer to transcending this reality. |
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Shun Shinobigami
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1262 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Frankto wrote: | There are a lot of ways to be a threat that don't necessarily involve lots of damage. One of my favorite tricks as a genjutsu master was to make people kill themselves, or attempt to, anyway.
Blindness, nausea, crippling pain, genjutsu chains and combos that have devastating effects, the list goes on. | Way ahead of you there, though I personally keep "suicide" inducing genjutsu as kinjutsu. There's plenty of others... so it's just a matter of inspiration. _________________
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Added some interesting newstuff. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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king_malice Genin
Joined: 08 Mar 2010 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: wrestling moves |
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Here's some wrestling moves
Hurricanrana
sleeper hold
ankle lock
military press
side walk slam - might want to change sidewalk to road for translating
moonsault - moon flip or roll
arm drag -
underhook shoulder lock
Kimura
russian leg sweep
flying headbutt
atomic drop
electric chair
irish whip
suplex - and it's clones : belly2belly, fisherman's, german, hanging, etc....
frog splash
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Frankto Shinobigami
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 7372 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Added the new seals and some new stuff. I no longer need wrestling move names. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Hokay, seriously. Everyone I talk to goes "I can't think of anything" so I'm going to ask you guys.
It feels like something's missing from the update, and I don't want to release something incomplete. Any ideas what it might be?
Hint: It's not the elemental combination bloodlines, the strength or speed bloodline, the seal master class, the master strategist class, the living puppeteer class, the new jinchuuriki system, the new genjutsu stuff, or the kikai bloodline stuff. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: |
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The quicker I get this done, the quicker the update is out, by the by. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Could it possibly be the sage system? _________________ I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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No. -_- _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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FirebrandHeretic Genin
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1 Location: Philly
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Well, if it's also not a handful of new techniques and/or some surprise weaponry--I'm always happy to see new Sound jutsu, or a class for it. ^_^ Though, I don't *actually* expect it.
Now for something useful: I remember a bit ago reading about someone wanting to see a shift or change in the Mastery steps. Could that be it? I'm not too good at helping with this stuff, but I try. ^_^ |
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Wait, are we talking about something new here, that's being added?
You do realize you almost never tell us what's going to be in the next update....
It's kinda like trying to read your mind here. _________________ I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune
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SirShadow Biffu Aroi
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Next Update (Yes, we can) |
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Frankto wrote: | [list]New:
Feats:
[*]Concealed Technique [Meta-Chakra]
[*]Underhanded Technician [Meta-Chakra]
Equipment:
[*]Added Muscle Growth drug
Techniques:
[*]Kinjutsu: Seishinkugi (Forbidden Technique: Immortal Soul Sacrifice)
[*]Kyujutsu: Kisshi (Bow Art: Basic Shot)
[*]Ninpou: Kibaku Fuuda no Wana (Ninja Art: Paper Bomb Trap)
[*]Ninpou: Shurikenjutsu - Renken (Ninja Art: Shuriken Skill - Shuriken Barrage)
[*]Ninpou: Shurikenjutsu - Tarenken (Ninja Art: Shuriken Skill - Greater Shuriken Barrage)
[*]Shinobi Hiken: Chakra Toushi (Shinobi Secrets: Chakra Sight)
[*]Taijutsu: Dachi - Kakutou Waza (Hand-to-Hand: Stance - Grappling Style)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu - Risai Butsu (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style - Lariat)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu - Rairi Nettou (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style - Lightning Plow Cleaver)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu Nage - Ganso Bakudan (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style Throws - Powerbomb)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu Nage - Raiga Bakudan (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style Throws - Lightning Crash Superbomb)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu Nage - Nodowa Otoshi (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style Throws - Chokeslam)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu Nage - Kubiwari Otoshi (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style Throws - Super Chokeslam)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu Nage - Tsuriotoshi (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style Throws - Bodyslam)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuu Nage - Gokushou Tsuriotoshi (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style Throws - Supreme Bodyslam)
[*]Taijutsu: Juuryuugyaku - Rairi Hangeki (Taijutsu: Ten-Ton Style - Thunder Plow Counter)
Friends and Foes:
[*]Added Remote Sensing
[*]Messenger Birds
Ninja Tools:
[*]Added Chakra Current weapon seal
[*]Added Concealing armor seal
[*]Added Eluding armor seal
[*]Added Flickering armor seal
[*]Added Fragmentation armor seal
[*]Added Gliding armor seal
[*]Added Nullstep armor seal
[*]Added Powerlift armor seal
[*]Added Resilient armor seal
[*]Added Restraining armor seal
[*]Added Speed armor seal
[*]Added Strength armor seal
Gamemastering:
[*]Added Huge optional village type
Modifications:
Basic Game Mechanics:
[*]Elemental affinity now gives resistance against the element you are strong against
Basic Classes:
[*]Charismatic Hero now has Chakra Control as a class skill
[*]Smart Hero now has Chakra Control as a class skill
[*]Fast Hero now has Genjutsu as a class skill
[*]Strong Hero now has Genjutsu as a class skill
[*]Dedicated Hero now has Ninjutsu as a class skill
[*]Tough Hero now has Ninjutsu as a class skill
Feats:
[*]Hachimon Tonkou feat renamed Initiate of the Eight Celestial Gates and now has prerequisites.
Prestige Classes:
[*]The Exarch's Medical Miracle can now only be used once per day, or benefitted from once per week
Equipment:
[*]Heavy and Light Vest armor removed (!!!)
[*]Ninja Cloak armor placed by the Reinforced Suit (!!!)
[*]Long Katana is now an archaic weapon (!!)
[*]Fullblade is now an archaic weapon with special conditions (!!)
[*]The shuriken and throwing knives are now treated as ammunition when thrown and for the purpose of enhancing them with seals (!!!)
[*]A chakra control check is now required to charge exploding tags rather than setting them off.
Techniques:
[*]All Speed and Strength rank training now additional requirements
[*]The cost to empower most techniques was reduced slightly: all fractions were eliminated (!!!)
[*]Kairai Engeki: Kengakuryokou slightly altered.
[*]Akuma no Tsubasa renamed to Hikiro Renken
[*]En'en no Shuriken is now Kaen Shuriken
[*]Edo Tensei technique reworked and updated. (!!)
[*]Hakken and Inuhana no Jutsu now both have requirements
[*]Kakusu Nioi mechanics reworked.
[*]Gogyou techniques now renamed to Godai (Godai Taigeki and Godai Ransatsu)
[*]The base cost of the Godai Taigeki and Godai Ransatsu techniques was reduced slightly.
[*]Shinobi Hiken: Sakki can now be used to cancel out killing intent on oneself.
[*]Koemane and Nakimane are now training techniques.
Bloodlines:
[*]The chakra cost paid during doujutsu implant process now allows the bloodline to be deactivated normally. (!!)
[*]Child of the Wild now has the Boost Scent ability.
Summoning:
[*]Concept of summon tribes introduced
[*]All animal summons as well as the Slug summon are now magical beasts (base attack bonus remains unchanged)
Epic:
[*]The power ranks have been modified slightly
Enhancement Seals:
[*]The following enhancement seals power now only deal half weapon damage as energy damage: Acid burst, chilling, cold burst, earth shock, flame burst, hurricane force, pulsing, quaking, scorching, screaming burst, shocking burst, squalling, surging, tidal force
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Fine, no one ever tells me anything -_-' _________________ I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune
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Archangel Super Pervert
Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 616 Location: Vinland
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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I like style A, but it's a bit wordy... if you're looking for streamline, go with C. I have no idea if you were looking for more input in this area or not, but I felt I should help. I have no idea if this is what is missing or not, but a guideline for players on How to Create Techniques (that are balanced and whatnot) would be useful. If there already is one, I apologize and will read it when the update comes out! _________________ "I'm no ordinary pervert... I'm a SUPER PERVERT!!!"
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Balance is in the eye of the GM. I'm not going to tell the GM what is balanced and what isn't. And no, that wasn't what was missing. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Felix_Zyphros Shinobigami
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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You are, however, the guy who gives the final OK on if a technique is in the pdf. I think he means a formula that would give a technique which would get the Frankto brand seal of approval. _________________ I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
? Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Still sick. Update comes tomorrow. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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Frankto Shinobigami
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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As promised. _________________ "It's like making a cake, but instead of a cake it's a game and instead of frosting I have no life."
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