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Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

Well, it doesn't really matter if it is changed or not, but you could get two meta chakra charges from it <3.
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Frankto · Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject:

...and THAT's updated too. The status, I mean, not the file.
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Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

You have ton's of optional rules and variants. Could you please name them?

Optional Rule: Easier Saving Throws

this is far easier to refer to them, than giving them each time a new name, and everyone starts calling stuff differently.
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Frankto · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:57 am Post subject:

Yes, because they don't already have names. This is the part where I look at you and shake my head and wonder what goes through yours when you make those posts. O_o
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Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

Optional Rule: blablabla.

How do they have names? Optional Rule (Name): blablabla. Would have been a named one. There are like two named ones between like 10 unnamed ones.

Mastercraft Optional Rule
Reach Optional Rule
Genius Optional Rule

you might know what they mean, but just listing those players might not know what you mean. And instead of searching the entire file for an optional rule, you might just come up with handy names, so searching for them is no bother.

I hope that explains my concerns.
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Frankto · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:11 am Post subject:

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Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

That is exactly my reaction on your reaction.
It looks like I have deep personal issues with user-friendliness being seemingly an alien concept to you.
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Frankto · Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject:

I've included the new Symbiote bloodline, as well as the Fast Regeneration special quality, my personal take on what regeneration should be.
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Senshen · Rookie Younin Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 309

Okay now the Symbiote Bloodline sounds awesome can't wait to see it.
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Frankto · Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:07 am Post subject:

Yes, that must be why I host and moderate this community and answer every single email, private message and most questions sent my way. -_-'

Now, for people actually interested, here are more updates. Namely, some new utility spacetime techniques, a new epic feat for the Symbiote, and a(n almost) completely new Reikyo bloodline.
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Senshen · Rookie Younin Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 309

Reikyo is changed huh well I will have to look that up first thing as I am using it in a game currently though I am sure it will be even cooler. As for the user friendly thing I personally have never had an issue.
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NinjaCP · Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:24 am Post subject:

Keep up the good work, man.

In the words of the Beastie Boys, "Gotta keep it goin', keep it goin' full steam."
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Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

The Perform (Martial Arts) mechanic seems so wrong. The bonus from BAB is really bad.

There should be rather a synergy with taijutsu, so that not someone with a high BAB but no taijutsu skill can do something like martial arts?
This sounds like "you don't have to learn it, you just need to be precise when cutting stuff down."

The part of me that learned martial arts years ago cries out loud.

Oh and probably more importantly:
Then this skill is missing out of every class as a class skill, except for the puppet master... that makes me guess that something went wrong.
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Hito Hyuga · Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject:

If you've got proficiency in the weapon you know how to use it, think of that as pretty much Perform (Weapon Drill) I mean, if you have ranks in Perform (Martial Arts) that's the training for it, right? Mind you, just from using a weapon you gain some martial arts knowledge, I myself, have no formal training with a sword, but I've used one for practice on my own for about two years, just slashing with it, and I've gotten a right good feel for it's balance, and how to strike with it, by no means a professional display (as I've seen a professional put on a show with swords, looked epic) but I was able to show off better than someone who never picked up a sword a day in their life (consider they likely do not have the proficiency with the weapon, thus cannot use Perform (Martial Arts) with it)

Even if one doesn't have ranks, they still have that knowledge of learning the martial arts though battle, rather than training. It's commonplace in anime settings, a character learns to use a weapon or technique through being forced to fight and only receives formal training later.

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Hito Hyuga · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject:

Frankto · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject:

You know, I'd written a long and involved post, but what it really boils down to is this.

Infinitus · Holiday Ninja Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 1976

Frankto · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject:

For one thing? Giving synergy based on total skill ranks in another skill is poor form, the +2 synergy bonus from 5 ranks notwithstanding. This isn't something you do.

For another, what the f... O_o

I think I understand better now why ND20 has been around so long and other similar projects haven't.
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cmkawasaki · Lazy Programmer Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3388

I'm going to butt in with my two cents.

I've never seen anyone bother to waste their skill points with the above skill, and I don't think it's worth anyone's time arguing over this skill.

Also, just FYI - I don't see the synergy bonus you are talking about. Are you sure this rule isn't already fixed in the latest main file?

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Frankto · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject:

Just because you see something as unimportant doesn't mean it actually is, Infinitus. Believe it or not, some people actually like flavor in their characters. As someone whose D&D character actually has the Perform (weapon drill) skill, its D&D equivalent, I can safely say: NO.

As for the "damage stuff," this is something that appears to be beyond you. Take a closer look at--well, every d20 system, ever. I'm not going to bother to try and explain it to you.
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Dairius_Chi · Situationally Useful Joined: 02 Jun 2010 Posts: 2633

So yeah, I just found out there's a perform(martial arts) skill >.>

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Frankto · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:00 am Post subject:

Yeah, the amount of sense you make is inversely proportional to the amount of sense you think you make, Infinitus. Now I realize this post is going to sound as angry, but you know what? I kind of am. And I'm tired of dealing with this bullshit. This is my freaking hobby, for Christ's sake.

Begin rant.

You must have forgotten all about occupations. Moreover, you assume that just because I add a skill it means I'm going to add it to classes that don't need it; clearly this is not the case. If you wonder why few classes have the Perform skill, it's because few classes need the Perform skill. And if you wonder why the Puppeteer has it, well, I'm sorry for you. And before you start insulting the work I put in this project, take a look in the mirror: every single one of your projects is a mess.

Now there's one more thing. Craft (calligraphy) is only for crafting things? Well gosh, I wonder how that makes sense in any way at all. Have you ever actually read the d20 Modern book, Infinitus? I can't imagine you have, because you wouldn't suggest Craft (writing) as an alternative.

Dairius_Chi · Situationally Useful Joined: 02 Jun 2010 Posts: 2633

Just a thought, but isn't perform(martial arts) just the same as perform(weapon drill)? And hell, Frankto didn't even add the 5ish feats that give a +2 bonus(like TWF, quick draw, combat expertise).

I don't wanna pretend I'm an expert or anything, but I also think getting this worked up over a skill is kind of...well unnecessary is a nicer way of saying it I guess.

Also, maybe I'm missing something, but what is all this mention of a fighter killing themself at X level? There isn't anything about the skill that says if you fail you chop off your head or anything >.>

EDIT: Also, Charismatic has it, since they get perform(all) taken individually. Beyond that: What other classes do you think would have even some training in dancing? Taijutsu master learns how to hit things, most of the other 'weapon' focused classes are the same way...they aren't skillful like the Bard or Rogue.

I guess the biggest issue I see with this is how much energy you've put into the argument on something that affects such a minor minor portion of the gaming community, I mean I've never even SEEN a character using it in all the games I've played, with all the people I've played with...and even if someone found away to abuse this, who cares? It is a skill entirely FOR flavor...unless of course the GM makes a giant gate that only accepts entertaining weapon dances as payment >.>

Hito Hyuga · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:04 am Post subject:

NinjaCP · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:47 am Post subject:

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, can we just drop this?! I've been on the forums long enough that I don't even need to read this to know what's going on. Allow me to summarize:

Someone doesn't like a particular mechanic because, in their opinion, it doesn't do a good job of reflecting reality.
Frankto disagrees and declines to make any changes
Nobody takes the hint and instead of just dropping it and moving on, everyone begins to beat a dead horse, posting their two cents on the topic.
Frankto gets pissed off and wonders why he puts up with this shit.

Do I win a motherfucking cigar? I think I do.

This is clearly not productive at all. If this were any other thread, it would've been locked ages ago. I'm tired of logging in and seeing new posts about this. I'm beyond the point of caring who's right and who's wrong here. Can we please move on now and stop this pissing constest?

Thank you.
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