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Dairius_Chi
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:09 am    Post subject: Build advice. Reply with quote

Before I get started, I would like to note that I am not looking for anything that will drastically alter the build too much, and I already have rogue, barbarian, and 1 human paragon so there is no going back on that. I plan on using most of my spells on non-saves and buffs, so I only really need 16 cha to get all my casting.

I have an open feat slot near the end, and a couple feats that can be swapped out without much hassle...the biggest thing I am looking for is suggestions on spells known, which by 20th level I will have:

0th: 8
1st: 4
2nd: 4
3rd: 3
4th: 2
5th: 1
6th: 1

Swiftblade: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327
Requires BAB +3, Dodge/Mobility, Spellcraft/Concentration 6, All 3rd level spells previous level cast Haste, this is literally impossible NOT to do thanks to limiting spells known from sorc ACF.

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ACF and Variants: Feat Rogue from Unearthed Arcana, Wolf Totem Barbarian and Whirling Frenzy from Unearthed Arcana, Battle Sorcerer from Unearthed Arcana, Stalwart Sorcerer from Complete Mage.


Class Progression:

 1: Rogue              1
 2: Barbarian          1
 3: Barbarian          2
 4: Human Paragon      1
 5: Sorcerer           1
 6: Human Paragon      2
 7: Human Paragon      3
 8: Rogue              2
 9: Sorcerer           2
10: Sorcerer           3
11: Sorcerer           4
12: Swiftblade         1
13: Swiftblade         2
14: Swiftblade         3
15: Swiftblade         4
16: Swiftblade         5
17: Swiftblade         6
18: Swiftblade         7
19: Swiftblade         8
20: Swiftblade         9

Caster Level Progression

 1:   0
 2:   0
 3:   0
 4:   0
 5:   1
 6:   2
 7:   3
 8:   3
 9:   4
10:   5
11:   6
12:   6
13:   7
14:   8
15:   8
16:   9
17:  10
18:  10
19:  11
20:  12

Feats

Level  1: Able Learner(RoD 150)
Human   : Dodge
Rogue  1: Mobility
Barb   2: Improved Trip
Level  3: Extra Rage
Sorc   1: Weapon Focus(Greatsword or Longsword)
Level  6: Extend Rage(CWar)
Hu Par2 : Eschew Materials
Rogue  2: Giantbane(CWar 111)  Open to suggestions
Level  9: Endurance
Swift  1: Spring Attack
Level 12: Steadfast Determination(PHBII 83)
Level 15: Battle Casting(RotW 148)   Open to suggestions
Swift  7: Bounding Assault
Level 18: Open to suggestions


<b>Spells/day:</b>
<tt>
Level  5: 0;4, 1;2
Level 10: 0;5, 1;4, 2;4
Level 15: 0;5, 1;5, 2;5, 3;4, 4;2
Level 20: 0;5, 1;5, 2;5, 3;5, 4;5, 5;4, 6;2

Spells/day before bonus from attributes or items</tt>

Upcoming:
Cha 13 at level 4
Con at 16 for Human Paragon 3(level 7).
Cha 14 at level 8
Cha 15 at level 12
Cha 16 at level 16
Str 17 at level 20, Con could also be done...depends on if a tome for either has been made available by then.

Equipment:
Wand Chamber(Shield), 50gp. Dun p034
Wand Chamber(Weapon), 100gp. Dun p034
 
Wondrous Items: Hand of Glory
Rings: Wizardry, any three I can get(thanks to Hand of Glory)
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're obviously trying to optimize, and you're clearly overthinking this. Just looking at that build makes me completely uninterested in playing D&D. Level 20 build? Easy.

Cleric 20.

Battle Sorcerer 20 with Arcane Strike

Fighter 4/Rogue 16 or Fighter 4/Rogue 6/Assassin 10 with Telling Blow

Or if all you want is to be incredibly powerful...

Fighter/Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker.

You don't need to be Rogue 2/Human Paragon 3/Barbarian 2/Sorcerer 4/Swiftblade 9

So if you want optimization advice, hang your character and do any of the above. Take this from me, I used the Frenzied Berserker to all but solo a tarrasque at 12th level without abusing any loop holes using a perfectly legal build. I honestly wish I could say I can see what you're doing, but all I see is an overly complicated attempt at achieving nothing extraordinary.

I realize this isn't what you wanted, but hey, it's always the simplest things that work really well. And I mean really, really, really well. And you don't need to cheapen it with weapons like the scythe or the greataxe, either.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not optimizing, going for a fun build that can handle traps, melee, and has some casting for the sake of it. I am taking Human Paragon because it fits the character, being a sneaky melee caster.

Thank you for the pointers, but I did say that I am not trying to mess with the levels all that much, I already have Barbarian, Rogue, and some Human Paragon so it is too late to 'hang up' the character. Was originally going with duskblade for simpler spell list and more use out of rings of wizardry, but a mix of other player input and looking over what all is gained made me go for Swiftblade(was originall duskblade 4/spellsword 4/abjurant champion 5).

Once more, the build is just about set in stone...spell choices are the biggest concern, and a few feats.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revised feat selection, now have a few spells as well, still looking for advice. GM has okayed Spell Compendium on a case-by-case basis, but still prefers I stick to core/completes.

EDIT: My blank feat is possibly Improved Familiar, to get something that can fight alongside me and has improved evasion. Was lucky on my barb levels(rolled an 11 and 12) and will be getting higher con, so half my HP is still quite a bit of HP.

Code:
Level  1: Able Learner(RoD 150)
Human   : Dodge
Rogue  1: Power Attack
Barb   2: Improved Trip
Level  3: Extra Rage
Sorc   1: Weapon Focus(Greatsword or Longsword)
Level  6: Extend Rage(CWar)
Hu Par2 : Mobility
Rogue  2: Arcane Strike(CWar)
Level  9: Endurance
Swift  1: Spring Attack
Level 12: Steadfast Determination(PHBII 83)
Level 15: Practiced Spellcaster
Swift  7: Bounding Assault(PHBII)
Level 18:

0th, 8: Detect Magic, Amanuensis (SpC), Prestidigitation, ???
1st, 4: Grease, ???, ???, ???
2nd, 4: Wings of Cover (RotD), Heart of Air (CM), Resist Energy, ???
3rd, 3: Haste, Heart of Water (CM), Heroism
4th, 2: Dimension Door, Enervation
5th, 1: Wall of Force
6th, 1: ???(95% sure Antimagic Field, since I can still rage and power attack, and with Swiftblade Haste becomes Ex so it wouldn't be negated)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

honestly if you wanna be a sneaky caster with a pigsticker just go bard or druid. You won't be amazing at anything but capable at almost everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if you are set with this character and want advice on spells there is always the simple stat buffs from bull's strength, cat's grace, etc. Plus the mass versions later on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can edit your posts. Don't double post unless you have to.
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