extra eyes

puddingwraith · Derp Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 117

Henge no Jutsu + Sharingan
4 eyes

what are your thoughts on this?
uses 2x the chakra cost but gives 2x the bonuses.

also Gumoshin: spiders have 6 eyes, so how about the mutation being able to add more eyes the way it can add more arms?

cmkawasaki · Lazy Programmer Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3388

puddingwraith, stop trying to utterly break the damned system. Also, as for henge, henge wouldn't give you capabilities you didn't have before: In other words, no extra working eyes.

Gumoshin: Based off the Sound's Four Spider guy(can't remember name) He had a third eye, While possessing the Curse Seal. otherwise, he only had two. I believe the Curse Seal level 2 might give one an extra eye - I'd have to check.

EDIT: No, Curse Seal does not give anyone an extra eye. In the series, I think it increases the bloodline ability somehow, but then again, it increases all abilities somehow...

And, although I don't mind you trying to break the system, I'd rather you break it in a legal and knowledgeable way... if you get my meaning.

Elon · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject:

Henge no Jutsu + Sharingan = 4 eyes

Can someone explain me that? Shocked

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puddingwraith · Derp Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 117

no, it was to use henge or something to get 4 eyes then use Sharingan with it,
but that was answered.

but I also see henge able to polymorph another, and I was thinking, what if they are turned into chocolate and eaten, like Majin Buu in DBZ?!

Elon · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject:

Do you really have read something of the main file? You are kidding us, right?
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cmkawasaki · Lazy Programmer Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3388

Oy, munchnin(puddingwraith)...

if you do any damage to a henged creature, even if the creature is a chocolate bar, they revert back to their normal form, because they would PURPOSEFULLY fail the concentration check to stay chocolate.

puddingwraith · Derp Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 117

thanks.
the way it looked to me was that they did not want to be changed, but failed the save so got changed, so it is not they who are concentrating to try to stay that way but instead the one forcing them that way is in control of the jutsu, he is the one who is concentrating.

?

while I'm at it, the DC would be low: 10+rank1+int+1(ninjutsu adept)
now, spells can be cast at a higher level, and this would make sense because otherwise a 30th level Kage couldn't force Henge much better than a genin. or have I missed something again?

well, chocolate bar snapped in half would pretty much do in the guy if he changes back, anyway!

How about a prestige class, the Chocolateer, from the Village Hidden in the Chocolate!

Sushi30 · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

You have missed... Because a 30th level kage's int modifier would probably be MUCH larger than a genin's. Anyway... Henge isn't a polymorph technique and if you haven't noticed, even in the manga/anime, it's not used often on foes (if at all)

cmkawasaki · Lazy Programmer Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3388

Henge is mostly for disguises... and effecting the item ends the henge.

Also, I don't believe it is used on foes in the anime... it's used on allies to henge with them or for them... and since most conscious people can cancel the jutsu... it's usually reserved for helpless or transport in my game.

puddingwraith · Derp Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 117

Thanks.
technique focus would up the DC by 2.
a jutsu could daze or otherwise affect the target to make them unable to resist and be quickly wrecked by it.
Probably, the best path for a ninja trying to turn Henge into an affective offensive technique would be to spend time developing a higher rank version of it with some special affect.

Elon · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:

I think there's no way to prevent an enemy to make a will save.
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puddingwraith · Derp Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 117

perhaps it is not done in the Naruto anime due to how rare it would be for it to be effective.

Dragonball had The Terrible Carrot whose touch turned people into carrots.

but see this:

start character with int 18 (+4), add nin adept (DC +1), add technique focus: henge (DC +2) = DC 18 for rank 1 henge.
The opponent would have to make a will save vs DC 18.
Compare that to the DC's for most poisons. It is better. And it only costs 1 pt of chakra per try.

Then, it can later be increased: int to 20, epic nin adept (DC+2), epic technique focus: henge (DC+4).
Now, the opponent has to make a will save vs DC 22, but he is a tougher opponent by then.

but by then, a higher rank version has been developed, probably a ranged or area effect, too.

Frankto · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject:

That's it. I'm sick of this discussion. Henge can't be used on unwilling creatures anymore.
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puddingwraith · Derp Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 117

see "your own stuff" for a fix using genjutsu compulsion! Yay!

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Athildur · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject:

The fact that there are ppl out there with ideas like this is...unsettling...to put it mildly.

Anyways, when one actually takes a few seconds to think about things:
Henge does not automatically give you the properties of whatever it is you are transforming yourself into. You keep your own abilities, etc etc. I mean, else we would've henged into some object with massive hardness instead of pumping our defense normally...
So, basically, you henge'd your enemy into a chocolate bar. Woohoo...except, it's not really a chocolate bar...it's an enemy nin who looks like a chocolate bar. I don't know about the last time you tried snapping a human in two, or biting in one, for that matter...
Aka, the chocolate will not snap. And biting a piece off will only take off a few hit points (if you hit...remember that most nins aren't proficient with their bite attacks, and that's one tiny chocolate bar with one hell of a defense value), not to mention the disgusting taste...

So, after all, what did we learn?
Stupid ideas don't get us anywhere!
...And they don't make much sense either...

Oh, and there's no way you can translate stuff that happens in an anime or manga into game terms, much less stuff that happens in OTHER anime or manga.

Now, back to you Alex (or whomever)

Sushi30 · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

Well said... Yummy...!

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petak · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject:

Actually the target for henge is "You" so it is pretty impossible to change anyone other than yourself or am i wrong?

Elon · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject:

petak · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:58 am Post subject:

Oh, i see... according to the rules, unconsious is willing Twisted Evil