Naruto D20 vs DnD

[Ryuugan]

My friend and have been RPing for awhile now, Ive noticed something very odd for awhile now, Naruto Ninja tend to be VERY good at lower levels compared to normal dnd characters, but it seems at higher levels, the roles are switched. My friend is playing an ECL 27 ninja, I had him fight, a CR 23 epic creature, even WITH our changes to the chakra system, he would have died were it not for a little bit of DM meddling (in our system his chakra pool was 400+). Has anyone else noticed this?
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[Frankto]

It should be noted that a CR23 creature out of D&D is designed to be fought by a balanced party of 4 level 20-21--necessary healing being factored in. Having a Chakra Pool of 400 is also rather pointless, but whatever you think is fun. *shrug*
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[lawler]

when you get to that level in dnd you have lots of magic weapons and with naruto you mostly dont have so it could be true in a way
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[Athildur]

Nevertheless Frankto is right when he says that a CR 23 creature is meant for a party of 4 level 20-ish characters, and not a single ECL 27 one.

And, while we're at that, being with more than one person makes a rather huge difference, in tha tactical advantage part of a battle.
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[Medik]

I was under the impression that it was for a party of 23rd-level members (but I often pit my players against stuff 1 or 2 CRs higher anyway).

Also, if I remember my party ECL-determining rule correctly, a 27-th level character IS effectively four 23rd-level characters. I could be wrong, but I don't feel like pulling out that one Freeport adventure to check.

[Athildur]

It's true that 4 CR 23 creatures total a CR 27 encounter, technically, yes.
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[Ryuugan]

But wouldnt jutsu make up for magic items/spells? I know that he doesnt have the benefit of god-like spells such as time stop or meteor swarm, but still...most of the jutsu, allow him FAR more options in a given round then any other normal dnd character, even more so with his increased chakra pool. I had originally thought that he would have destroyed it no challenge, but....it didnt turn out that way.
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[Sushi30]

Well... The ECL-determining method is rather meant for lower levels, where every level makes a HUGE change in the characters efficiency. At epic levels, character levels make less difference. So the ECL determening method becomes less and less accurate as levels grow.

[Dastek]

One factor I've noticed in Naruto D20 (and Modern D20 as well) is saves are a bit lower. Around epic level DND characters and creatures have saves at +30 or even in some cases +40! With a a usual minium of +10 to thier lowest saves. About the only save a Naruto ninja can boost up to about that high is Reflex using the techniques that increase speed rank. At least this is the impression I got when a made a couple high level characters to see how strong they are when they reach that level. Also stat boosting magic items have a big effect on characters.

[Athildur]

Hrm yes, well that may be true for high, high levels but...

Overall, the defense values of ninjas are far greater than those of D&D characters because of class defense bonuses.

Also, even though you specialise in hand-to-hand or melee weaponry (or even ranged weaponry), NarutoD20 chars are always able to use ninjutsu, genjutsu and chakra control (if they have enough skill points put into it, of course). That really gives them an upper hand if you're comparing.

The other big difference is that a nin can never, ever hope to achieve a destructiveness that is equal to that of any spellcaster of D&D, especially arcane spellcasters. I calculated average damage per day a ninjutsu-based nin could do, and how much a sorcerer of his level (8) could do...
The nin just got over 150 (154.5 to be exact), whereas the sorcerer topped at nothing less than 321,5. Now, granted, the nin can use a recovery item or two for his chakra (I already included converting for the nin), but still...besides that, the range of spells is very far compared to nins.

Not that I am criticizing the system. NarutoD20 is just different. Very different.
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[NinjaCP]

I don't mean to sound like an ass or anything, but as far as I'm concerned this is like comparing apples and oranges (please excuse the clich?). Unless one plans on putting a character built for D&D into a Naruto d20 campaign or vice-versa, I fail to see the point of making a comparison between the systems. I think I can safely say that no two RPGs are designed to mesh like that.

[kp91]

[Athildur]

Well, you can use monsters, just be sure to test them because most will need a little tweaking before they can be effectively used in NarutoD20.
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[sword_war4444]

I use monsters all the time right now we are in the chunin exams ( I am Dm) and I filled the forset of death with all sort of monsters

[cmkawasaki]

As long as you tweak them to the system, it's all cool.

[Frankto]

I prefer to make my own monsters, so that the party learns to fear me, and fear them.
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[Athildur]

Yes well, we can't all be Frankto .
The world would surely perish :p.
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