brawl, combat martial arts, unarmed strike

[puddingwraith]

look at this:
someone can have 6 levels of strong hero with talents tai, imp tai, adv tai and take feats brawl, imp brawl, weapon focus unarmed.
then add fast 2 (feat: expertise)
that's some great to hit (+2 per strong level this way!) and some great combat skills, but if they have not taken combat martial arts they still can't be tai master!
maybe they took weapon finesse instead to make to hit even better.

I'd say at some pt combat martial arts should just be synergy, same with tai master's unarmed strike.

but I'm confused with the damage done: have imp brawl, combat martial arts, tai master unarmed strike... is part of the damage lethal and part non-lethal?

also, since no off-hand, does he still get the extra attack just at no penalty? or is imp 2-weapon fighting needed to get another attack?
bab +11/+6/+1 three attacks at level 12 with primary but no offhand so add another +11 fourth attack and a feat imp 2-weapon fighting to get a 5th attack? Can this work?
should tai master unarmed strike increase number of strikes faster like Monk's unarmed strike?

[Samuru]

An attack cannot deal part lethal part nonlethal. With each hit, you decide what type to deal, which determines what die you pick up for it.

[Athildur]

Erm, as stated somewhere, can't recall where:
Brawl and Combat Martial Arts do not stack! That is to say, you can either use combat martial arts, attacking unarmed for d4 lethal damage, or use your brawl feats to attack for d-something nonlethal damage.

Also, synergy...I don't think so. It's fine the way it is.

As for the off-hand...people seem to have a different opinion.

Some say it is already included in unarmed strike.
Some say you get an extra off-hand attack without any real penalties.
Some say (one of which would be me) that in order to get additional attacks you're just going to have to get the two-weapon fighting feats.

The rules themselves are slightly fuzzy on this matter, I think...there has been a discussion about that somewhere on this forum...but I can;t recall where...
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[Frankto]

+2 to hit is only applied when dealing nonlethal damage with Brawl. Brawl and CMW do not stack. Period. You gain an additional attack with any "held weapons," which you do not get to do with "unarmed attacks." Discussion over.
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